Spain...a Black-Muslim nation?

[Lechuzo1]

Originally Posted by Deezus

Thanks for that very informative post. That makes sense--and I thought that the Berbers would've been the predominant ethic group in Muslim Spain.

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Deezus

99,0 percent of the population of Cordova during the Xth Century, some presume that the city had more than 1 million or 2 million inhabitants (I find such a figure exhorbitant) were Mozarabes (Christians that had to pay a tax, Muladies (Christians converted to Muslims to avoid paying the tex) and Jews that also had to pay the tax.

One percent of the population were Arabs (very few but very powerful) and berbers. Arabs and Berbers were always engaged in Civil Wars because according to Arabs, Berbers were barbarians, they received bad lands, etc.

Muladies (Christians converted to Muslims) also were engaged in fights and stablished in some cases strange kingdoms. They were not treated very well.

And then yu had mercenaries, mostly were Christian fom the North, Normands, Catalans, Basques, Franks...they well very well treated since they protected Arabs against Berbers and Berbers against Arabs.

Then were also the "hostages" and prisoners, for example, Vikings and any other plunderers were "contracted" as soon as they landed, hostages from the north were also important and they became servants or mercenaries since their Christian family up noth were poor as rats, no money to pat ransom. There was no coinage in christian territory.

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by JackTheRipper

This would be interesting.

I just don't take sources from wikipedia serious enough, since many articles can be/are edited by anyone.

That means if they are wrong, they can (and will) be corrected. And there are footnoted references where you can look up the source of any fact in Wikipedia. Quite possibly, Wikipedia is the MOST reliable source on the internet, because you know it is not a blog or a self-serving source (which can be created by anyone, but NOT correctable) and errors (intentional or otherwise) are subject to being corrected by people who DO know their stuff.

If a black nationalist in a bar tells me Jesus and Mohammed and George Washington were black, and Wikipedia doesn't say that, who do you think is right?.

[Cotorrino]

During the 8th and 9th centuries, many Emirs are described as people with "tow" hair, redhaired, blonde. Historians believed 20 or 30 years ago that they were Syrians, and now we know they were Visigoths that changed their names. The Visigoths Empire went from Arrianism to Islam and their rights were respected.

Hispania fell so rapidly because the Visigothic empire was very centralized around Toledo, and most noblemen hated Roderick. There's also a tehory that Visigoths found that Islam was more resemblant to Arrianism...

Spanish visigoths were a disaster and I think that most welcomed Islam.

[kovert]

Originally Posted by Felix C

This means warped interpretation of history. I recall many a conversation with co-workers who were Black Nationalists. I coined the phrase Bizarro Man/Men after our sessions. You will understand if you know the origins of Bizarro Man.

Kovert will hopefully come in and answer definitively on this one. He is our Man in North-West-Central Africa.

Thanks for the nod, Felix.

But, as you have most probably already deduced:

From the very title, " Spain...a Black-Muslim nation?"

As well from the very 1st sentence of the opening post:

Originally Posted by JackTheRipper

I was having a formal conversation with this Black Nationalist

From the very beginning, this thread has been racially motivated and nothing else.

The real question, one should be asking on this thread, is not where on the chromatic scale the Moors were, but what species of racialist crackpots we're going to have to deal with this time around.

These days, you just never know if it'll be your standard stormfronter or an afronut looking for a platform to preach a sermon from the sacred scrolls of Diop.

Idealistic Realist.

[monoloco]

Kovert

You are right. I know this Jacktheripper guy...
He's from Miami and his wife "eloped" with Cuban or Spanish guy, since then he hates everything Latin.
Later, he lost his job for not learning four phrases in Spanish...basically colors and arrangements...