History of Lee's Ferry & Mountain Meadows Massacre (war, economic, army)

[Angorlee]

that Mountain Meadow Masscre gives me the creeps.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by Angorlee

that Mountain Meadow Masscre gives me the creeps.

Religious Zealots at their best, even the "Savages" the tried to hire to Massacre the settlers refused

[BlackShoe]

Perhaps the single largest unanswered question after more than a century and half is the involvement of Brigham Young. Critics say that Young ran Utah as dictator, and that a decision to execute a thing of such magnitude could have only come from him. Others say that because it was 300 miles from Salt Lake City to the masscre site. many days journey on horseback, Young was unaware of the situation, and that local leaders acted on their own.

[markg91359]

Perhaps the single largest unanswered question after more than a century and half is the involvement of Brigham Young. Critics say that Young ran Utah as dictator, and that a decision to execute a thing of such magnitude could have only come from him. Others say that because it was 300 miles from Salt Lake City to the masscre site. many days journey on horseback, Young was unaware of the situation, and that local leaders acted on their own.

That's the question that has been asked by many and which no definitive answer exists. A circumstantial case can be made that he made the decision. A good case can be made that it was carried out by settlers in southern Utah on their own. I don't think anyone would ever find the equivalent of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" that the massacre was ordered by him.

The Will Bagley book that I previously mentioned in my last post takes the position that he must have issued some kind of order. Other books take a totally opposite view.

What is clear is that Brigham Young sent a message by courier to the settlers in southern Utah telling them to allow the Fancher Party to pass through the territory unharmed. The message arrived after the massacre had occurred.

There is a larger question though that seldom gets addressed. That question is the overall moral responsibility of someone like Brigham Young to prevent something like this from occurring. Young was an extremely powerful man who knew virtually everything that was going on among his people. There were undoubtedly things that could have been done to prevent the massacre from occurring. Earlier statements by him given in a direct and powerful fashion would almost surely have prevented this tragedy. Until something like this takes place maybe its hard to imagine its a possibility. However, clearly more could have been done to have prevented this event.

The full truth is probably never going to be known.

[CAVA1990]

One of my favorite lines:

"'Give them one year, no more; and if after that they pollute our soil by their presence, make literally Children of the Mist of them"

- Major James Carlton

Some of my MO ancestors were involved in executing the Mormon Extermination Order. There was certainly very strong anti-Mormon sentiment at the time. Amazing we now have one running for president. Guess we've come a long way.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by CAVA1990

One of my favorite lines:

"'Give them one year, no more; and if after that they pollute our soil by their presence, make literally Children of the Mist of them"

- Major James Carlton

Some of my MO ancestors were involved in executing the Mormon Extermination Order. There was certainly very strong anti-Mormon sentiment at the time. Amazing we now have one running for president. Guess we've come a long way.

So the Mormons were the victims at Mountain Meadow?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Boompa

So the Mormons were the victims at Mountain Meadow?

This isn't a serious question, is it? Of course they weren't the victims at Mountain Meadows. They were the perpetrators. They had, however, been victims of extreme violence for years, and are the only religious group in the United States to have a government-sanctioned extermination order issued on them.

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

They had, however, been victims of extreme violence for years,.

Numerous people of faith have been the victims of extreme violence in this country. The Orange Riots spring immediately to mind.

The Ghost Dance preformed by the Plains Indians helped lead to the Wounded Knee Massacre.

I can't understand trying to link violence against Mormons as some sort of an excuse for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. (If that's indeed what you're trying to do. )

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by DewDropInn

I can't understand trying to link violence against Mormons as some sort of an excuse for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. (If that's indeed what you're trying to do. )

Why did you think I was trying to do that? Someone asked if the Mormons were the victims in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I said they weren't; they were the perpetrators, but that they had been victims at other times. Don't read anything more into that I said and you'll be just fine.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

This isn't a serious question, is it? Of course they weren't the victims at Mountain Meadows. They were the perpetrators. They had, however, been victims of extreme violence for years, and are the only religious group in the United States to have a government-sanctioned extermination order issued on them.

So that means the settlers who were massacred were asking for it?
You are apparently attempting to justify a massacre