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Old 04-18-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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Please view the 1944 movie " Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo", and NOT the end of the abysmal, laughable ' Pearl Harbor", with Alec Baldwin ( !!! ) as Doolittle.
It was bad enough having the tall, beefy, hirsute Baldwin portraying the short, slight, bald Doolittle ( a real American hero), but the premise of fighter pilots converting to flying bombers for that mission is logically and historically absurd.
Doolittle of course later commanded the 'Mighty Eighth" from 1944-45.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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the premise of fighter pilots converting to flying bombers for that mission is logically and historically absurd.
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There were fighter pilots who wound up as bomber pilots, but these were fighter pilots who had washed out of the program for whatever reasons. The idea that a pair of fighter pilots who had established their excellence as fighter pilots, would be "demoted" to bomber pilots, was unrealistic.

And of course the idea that the only two fighter pilots who managed to get into the air on December 7th, were also pilots on the Doolittle Raid...well. If the movie had gone on long enough, thoe two pilots would probably have also been depicted as the guys who ambushed and shot down Yamamoto. Then they would have been transferred to the European theater in time to be the first Americans to shoot down a Messerschmitt 262 jet, and then transferred back to the Pacific, converted into bomber pilots once more, and sent off to drop the atomic bombs.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo Part 1 - YouTube
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:45 PM
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I do not believe enough B-25 bombers are still flying to make another movie.
That was the problem with filming Star Wars a shortage of T-FIghters.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:50 PM
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And of course the idea that the only two fighter pilots who managed to get into the air on December 7th, were also pilots on the Doolittle Raid...well. If the movie had gone on long enough, thoe two pilots would probably have also been depicted as the guys who ambushed and shot down Yamamoto. Then they would have been transferred to the European theater in time to be the first Americans to shoot down a Messerschmitt 262 jet, and then transferred back to the Pacific, converted into bomber pilots once more, and sent off to drop the atomic bombs.
I just hope that Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer don't read your post.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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As a youngster in the 50's, '30 Seconds Over Tokyo' was one of my favorite movies. My dad spent time in the South Pacific during the war, so the movie was meaningful to me.
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Old 04-18-2012, 03:10 PM
 
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And of course the idea that the only two fighter pilots who managed to get into the air on December 7th, were also pilots on the Doolittle Raid...well. If the movie had gone on long enough, thoe two pilots would probably have also been depicted as the guys who ambushed and shot down Yamamoto. Then they would have been transferred to the European theater in time to be the first Americans to shoot down a Messerschmitt 262 jet, and then transferred back to the Pacific, converted into bomber pilots once more, and sent off to drop the atomic bombs.
That movie doesn't come out till Christmas.

Don't spoil it, geez....!!
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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There were fighter pilots who wound up as bomber pilots, but these were fighter pilots who had washed out of the program for whatever reasons. The idea that a pair of fighter pilots who had established their excellence as fighter pilots, would be "demoted" to bomber pilots, was unrealistic.

And of course the idea that the only two fighter pilots who managed to get into the air on December 7th, were also pilots on the Doolittle Raid...well. If the movie had gone on long enough, thoe two pilots would probably have also been depicted as the guys who ambushed and shot down Yamamoto. Then they would have been transferred to the European theater in time to be the first Americans to shoot down a Messerschmitt 262 jet, and then transferred back to the Pacific, converted into bomber pilots once more, and sent off to drop the atomic bombs.
Now that is Granstanding!
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:08 PM
 
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I just hope that Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer don't read your post.
Among all the preposterous Luke Skywalker style flying depicted in "Pearl Harbor", I was left most perplexed by their showing many Japanese fighters and bombers flying parallel to the line of US battleships, between the two rows, and so low that they are below the gunwales of the ships. What would have been the point of their doing that? They cannot hit anything with machine guns or bombs from such a posture, and of course a torpedo run requires that you approach the broadside of a ship, not fly along side of it.

If you watch, you'll notice that among the Japanese planes indulging in this inexplicable tactic, a couple of them are torpedo planes with their torpedoes still hanging from their racks. Were these the worst torpedo plane pilots in history? Guys who had so badly missed the basic concept that didn't even know to attack the sides of the ships?

Despite these training failures, the Japanese did pretty well for themselves. Their really big mistake was in deciding to divert two thirds of their attacking force to following Affleck and Hartnett around wherever they drove, ran or flew, and trying to kill them to the neglect of everything else.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:18 AM
 
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Among all the preposterous Luke Skywalker style flying depicted in "Pearl Harbor", I was left most perplexed by their showing many Japanese fighters and bombers flying parallel to the line of US battleships, between the two rows, and so low that they are below the gunwales of the ships. What would have been the point of their doing that? They cannot hit anything with machine guns or bombs from such a posture, and of course a torpedo run requires that you approach the broadside of a ship, not fly along side of it.

If you watch, you'll notice that among the Japanese planes indulging in this inexplicable tactic, a couple of them are torpedo planes with their torpedoes still hanging from their racks. Were these the worst torpedo plane pilots in history? Guys who had so badly missed the basic concept that didn't even know to attack the sides of the ships?

Despite these training failures, the Japanese did pretty well for themselves. Their really big mistake was in deciding to divert two thirds of their attacking force to following Affleck and Hartnett around wherever they drove, ran or flew, and trying to kill them to the neglect of everything else.
Actually , I would be rooting for someone to shoot Affleck down.
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