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You're right. There's no doubt that the Reagan Administration had a good (and of course false) image. It grabbed the country by storm. Even Democrats were mesmerized by the actor, Alzheimer's or not. Very sad thing for the country. Little did they know the damage it would cause.
And I just remembered about the Iran-Contra crimes of the Reagan Administration. God, there's so much crap to dig up from those 8 years!
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Well, lets look at this. Nixon and the watergate fiasco angered many people and came at a bad time when there were a number of people who really developed a rapic dustrust for politicians, in case they did not have one already. Of course Ford, who knows, at any other time would have been a more popular president, and in fact, he did not do a bad job BUT he sure came at a time when distrust in the presidency was at it's peak. The country could have had anyone (My friend saiid Jesus Christ could have been the president and people still would have complained)
Ford was president at a time when it was not good to be the president, and he was in office so short of a time overshadowed by the reputation of Nixon the crook, that he never had a chance.
Carter, well let's see. First, he talks the Iranian government into alowing theAyatollah out of eexile? Part of his Human Rights program? Look where that went. Most people know better than to covert with criminals, but after Nixon, well, who knows? http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...29/170201.shtm
Consider too how Iranian /USA relations have been since Carter.
Iran also has comparatively sought to provoke the US but they seemed to do it least under reagan. Could it have been Reagans military success, Like Libya, Granada, small though they were, they showed Reagan would not hesitate to use military force? how about the fall of the Berlin Wall and the hastening end of the cold war ? Reagan seems to have been given a lot of credit by the historians and press for his involvement
I would say too that all in all, CLinton was president in a prosperous time and who cares where he was parking the presidential limo...Of course Reagan wanted to boost busines so he gave a lot of tax rebates and allowed companies to operate on a 5 year tax deferred plan, meaning the first year, you pay no tax, second year, 20% etc After CLinton came into office, these companies had a 100% tax liability which meant more income of for the treasury......Making the government able to operate in the black for a while and Clinton to get the credit. It was Reagans idea lall along.
The outsourcing of Jobs started in earnest under 2nd Bush, and so far has not been impacted by Obama, as long the trade base stays in AISA, obama will go to the lower half of the list as well.
Living wages began declining in the US under LBJ. All those "Great Society" welfare programs had to be paid for by increasing taxes on the middle class.
Bush handed Obama the worst economy since the great depression. Obama immediately passed a job-stimulus bill which helped stop job losses faster than during the milder 1st Bush recession. Click to the graph and you can see how much faster.
SO I see this bumber sticker on someone's car, not even the bumper but the back window, and it says "WORST PRESIDENT EVER" and my first thought was
WHY is someone bringing up Buchanon now?
Then I see the Pepsi logo and realize OH they are complaining about our current president, who one cannot be classified amongst the best or worst until AFTER his term and history has a chance to look at the overall picture. I realize that people can get ccaught up in the emotions of the times since todays issues are more real to people today than those issues of 1858 were to people today...
BUT I am seriously thinking, what about some guy who said "Oh it is not the presidents job" and lets states end up seceding which eventually leads to a civil war, who does not champion the end of slavery even though he claims to not approve of it ? That makes for a totally ineffective leader, one who does not at least try. Oftentimes, complacency is a road to utter failure.
Many years ago, one of my civil war reenactor friends called me just to rail against President Bush, saying "this giuy is the worse president ever" My response was "OK You know a lot about history, especially the civil war and the events leading up to it. how can you look at Buchanon and say Bush is worse?" so there was theis pause and he said "OK You're right Second worst ever"
(not to suggest that Pierce or Fillmore did much to help out along the way)
Of course, the biggest IF ever would have been had the US lost the civil war, Lincoln might well have replaced Buchanon on the list.
Oh I agree! - I don't think we'll ever recover from that. Too much damage was done by the Reagan Administration.
What a simplistic world you inhabit! There are very complex, world-wide influences on our economy, some of which no president has the power to counter. Despite the number of years it's been since the Reagan presidency, you insist on blaming that one man for all that is wrong with this country. We will never recover from that one man. What childish and emotionally-driven reasoning. Have you read the book by the long-time Soviet ambassador to the U.S. that I cited earlier in this thread? I rather doubt it, as you don't seem to be interested in any nuanced view which would admit of both good and bad qualities in someone. Reagan is the devil incarnate for you. Did this polarized way of thinking take root in your childhood? Just curious.
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Why didn't Carter get off his rearend while he was still in office to do something about the economy he screwed up. Carter inherited single-digit inflation and unemployment from Ford, and left office with double-digit everything. Don't forget those American hostages Carter let rot in Iran for 444 days.
What caused some of the economic trouble was the aftermath of the Arab oil embargo, and scarce oil resources. (See previous comment about world-wide influences on the economy.) One of his responses to that was to stimulate alternative energy development. If Reagan hadn't dialed that back, the US would be in better shape today. Germany has far outpaced the US in alternative energy development. That could have been us.
Carter didn't let the hostages rot. He made a rescue attempt that failed, and tried to negotiate for their release. The media mockery of him was so aggressive, even conservatives were shocked and dismayed. Present company excepted, I guess.
Interesting the selective memories at play in this topic.
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The man had the greatest hindsight of any previous President. He was given a budget SURPLUS. By the time he left office, the country was in ruins, with every domestic category in CRISIS mode. His foreign policy was Neanderthal diplomacy, wholly ineffective, and a black hole of spending. While Bush was President, this country was bleeding to death. His ideology represented pure regression. The negative impact that Bush had on this country will be a thorn in the neck of this country for decades. Thank God, he was succeeded by the best in Obama.
Bush was a man better suited for shoveling horse manure on his farm in Texas, not running the country. Shame on the GOP.
Bush handed Obama the worst economy since the great depression. Obama immediately passed a job-stimulus bill which helped stop job losses faster than during the milder 1st Bush recession. Click to the graph and you can see how much faster.
You don't lnow the difference between take home pay and unemployment.
Carter handed Reagan double digit unemployment and a gas crises.
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to reduce the taxes of the American rich drastically, thereby effecting a redistribution of American wealth to the already wealthy?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to destroy worker's rights by crushing the right of workers to unite (unions)?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to deregulate corporations and create chaos and mass takeovers of smaller corporations?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to refuse to enforce anti-trust laws?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to deregulate S & Ls and cause the S & L crisis?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to bail out the disaster they caused with the S & Ls by using billions of U.S. funds to bail out the S & Ls?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to stop countless necessary social programs?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to give Iran mass numbers of missiles (to use against anyone) as part of their Iran-Contra program/scandal?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to order the murders of thousands of innocents in Latin America as part of their Iran-Contra program/scandal?
Did a worldwide influence cause the Reagan administration to increase federal spending by 90%?
Want me to go on mentioning more "worldwide influences?"
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What a simplistic world you inhabit! There are very complex, world-wide influences on our economy, some of which no president has the power to counter. Despite the number of years it's been since the Reagan presidency, you insist on blaming that one man for all that is wrong with this country. We will never recover from that one man. What childish and emotionally-driven reasoning. Have you read the book by the long-time Soviet ambassador to the U.S. that I cited earlier in this thread? I rather doubt it, as you don't seem to be interested in any nuanced view which would admit of both good and bad qualities in someone. Reagan is the devil incarnate for you. Did this polarized way of thinking take root in your childhood? Just curious.
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G W Bush, easy
