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Old 03-04-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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Chachibatches you are one tiresome child. The thread which I just linked everyone too will expose you for the absolutely clueless, illiterate, juvenile racist that you are. You aren't worth anymore of my time or anyone else's for that matter.

 
Old 03-04-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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I was curious because I've heard people saying that ancient Egyptian origins were futher down into Nubia and even down into Uganda.

They mean that some consider the A-group Nubians to be the same as the early lower Egytpians. you are interested in this, research Keith Seal's findings at Qustl (though older Egytpian sights have been found).

There is no evidence of anything going on in Uganda.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 04:45 AM
 
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Chachibatches you are one tiresome child. The thread which I just linked everyone too will expose you for the absolutely clueless, illiterate, juvenile racist that you are. You aren't worth anymore of my time or anyone else's for that matter.
Nope.

I dropped the evidence bomb and as on the other forums, you have not a single DNA population study to back what you are saying. All you are exposing is that you are a fraud who believes fairy tales.

And there are more in the works. I have the quotes and the names of more geneticists, but I would prefer to find the whole studies if possible. All said and done, I have found something like 30 studies showing the demic diffusion you claim did not happen, AND NOT A SINGLE GENETICIST WHO SAYS OTHERWISE.

And everyone is going to know it, on this and every other forum.

Get used to it Asante/Sir Shawn/Unbreakable/whatever. I am not going anywhere.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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Chachibatches's cluelessness and intellectual ass whooping here. Notice the little support that he does have (one person) comes from a Neo Nazis on that site.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Chachibatches's cluelessness and intellectual ass whooping here. Notice the little support that he does have (one person) comes from a Neo Nazis on that site.
Nope. I posted wellover a dozen population studies of both mummies and living Egyptians.

You have posted nothing, and posturing is not going to change that.

Stop being ashamed of your ancestors, Asante/Unbreakable/Sir Shawn. At this point, they must be very ashamed of you. You are not an Egytpian. You have nothing to do with Egypt. Look towards west Africa. Dar Tichit Walata, Ghana, Mali, Songhay, Benin, Nok, yoroba...thats where your ancestors are.

Where is your DNA evidence? I have posted a mountain.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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I was curious because I've heard people saying that ancient Egyptian origins were futher down into Nubia and even down into Uganda.
Scholars now generally agree that Egypt's origins lay in Nubia/northern Sudan which of course was itself the result of retreating migrants (primarily Nilotic) from the desertificating Sahara. The people of Uganda and the Great Lakes region are recent Nilotic migrants from the Nile Valley and interestingly enough these people haplogroup A and B carrying Nilotes of this general region (the Great Lakes, Southern Sudan, Southwest Ethiopia) tend to show the greatest cultural and genetic similarity to the inhabitants of the Nile Valley during the formative stages of Egypt and of course Nubia:


5b Modern Cu****es/ Nubians (continued) - YouTube

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[SIZE=2]It is impossible for me to believe that Egyptian is a Semitic language fundamentally. There
are a very large number of words that are not Semitic and were never invented by a Semitic
people. These words were invented by one of the oldest African people of the Nile valley of
whose written language we have any remains. Their home lay far to the south, and all that
we know of Predynastic Egypt suggests that it was in the neighborhood of the Great Lakes.

EW Budge, Hieroglyphic Dictionary, Dover, 1920.[/SIZE]
or

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"A large number of gods go back to prehistoric times. The images of a cow and star goddess (Hathor), the falcon (Horus), and the human-shaped figures of the fertility god (Min) can be traced back to that period. Some rites, such as the "running of the Apil-bull," the "hoeing of the ground," and other fertility and hunting rites (e.g., the hippopotamus hunt) presumably date from early times.. Connections with the religions in southwest Asia cannot be traced with certainty."
"It is doubtful whether Osiris can be regarded as equal to Tammuz or Adonis, or whether Hathor is related to the "Great Mother." There are closer relations with northeast African religions. The numerous animal cults (especially bovine cults and panther gods) and details of ritual dresses (animal tails, masks, grass aprons, etc) probably are of African origin. The kinship in particular shows some African elements, such as the king as the head ritualist (i.e., medicine man), the limitations and renewal of the reign (jubilees, regicide), and the position of the king's mother (a matriarchal element). Some of them can be found among the Ethiopians in Napata and Meroe, others among the Prenilotic tribes (Shilluk)."
(Encyclopedia Britannica 1984 ed. Macropedia Article, Vol 6: "Egyptian Religion" , pg 506-508)
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Despite their original designation as “villages”, the occupation
middens associated with Badarian cemeteries in Middle Egypt exhibit no such
evidence of a permanent constructed environment. The most carefully excavated of
these sites, at Hammamiya, was in fact interpreted by Caton-Thompson as a
“temporary camping ground” (Brunton and Caton-Thompson 1928: 74).
More recently, Butzer (1976: 14) has related the distribution of early neolithic
(Badarian) sites along the outskirts of the Nile Valley to pastoral activity, while
Midant-Reynes (2000: 160) sees them as “mainly
… the result of pastoralism” and a
“relatively mobile existence”. Clark (1971: 36) similarly observed of Badarian sites that
“the circle of grain pits surrounding a central area of ash and pottery suggests a plan
similar to that of the Nilotic, cattle-herding Jie in Uganda, the Songhai south of the
Niger bend and other Central African peoples
where a central stock pen is
surrounded by the grain stores and temporary or permanent dwellings of the
inhabitants”.
The recent excavations at Maghara 2 support the view that the formation
of early neolithic sites in the Nile Valley was generated through the seasonal sojourns
of mobile herding groups, rather than the establishment of permanent farming
villages (Wengrow 2001: 95, 99 n. 5). From David Wengrow in Ancient Egypt in Africa
Notice how my evidence includes sources linguistics, culture, archaeology ON TOP OF biological evidence (anthropology AND genetics) and most of which in a contextualized format by contemporary scholars/Egyptologist validating the indigenous Northeast African origins of ancient Egypt. Chachibatches on the other hand has been spamming a "mountain of evidence" and almost all of which are genetic (Just one piece of the puzzle) all conducted during the late 90's/early 2000's and have been superceded/debunked by more recent studies....ONE OF HIS STUDIES CLAIMS THAT NUBIANS WERE MOSTLY WHITE...COME ON NOW! The ****s pathetic and only gets support from classicist/racist who can't get a grip on the reality of this situation...The ancient Egyptians were originally black Africans.

Of course contemporary genetic analysis gives support to the cultural assessment linking the Nilotic peoples of the Upper Nile/Great Lakes to early ancient Egypt

Quote:
"The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology."--Hassan et al., (2008)
and of course this study just released last year which actually analyzed ANCIENT remains of the pre-dynastic Nile Valley confirms the Nilotic dominance along the Nile during this period in history:

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Haplogroups A-M13 was found at high frequencies among Neolithic samples. ...Accordingly, through limited on number of aDNA samples, there is enough data to suggest and to tally with the historical evidence of the dominance by Nilotic elements during the early state formation in the Nile Valley, and as the states thrived there was a dominance by other elements particularly Nuba / Nubians. In Y-chromosome terms this mean in simplest terms introgression of the YAP insertion (haplogroups E and D), and Eurasian Haplogroups which are defined by F-M89 against a background of haplogroup A-M13.
link

Dnatribes obtained the Str profiles of the Amarna period pharaohs and the more recently tested results of Ramses III and his son and...:

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Ramses and his son

A previous issue of DNA Tribes Digest identified African related ancestry for King Tut and
other royal mummies from the Amarna Period. In this issue, results indicate that the later pharaoh
Ramesses III also inherited alleles that are most frequent in present day populations of Sub-Saharan Africa. This provides additional, independent evidence of Sub-Saharan African ancestry (possibly among several ancestral components) for pharaonic families of ancient Egypt
....In addition, these DNA match results in present day world regions might in part express
population changes in Africa after the time of Ramesses III.
In particular, DNA matches in present day populations of Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes might to some degree reflect genetic links with ancient populations (formerly living closer to New Kingdom Egypt) that have expanded southwards in the Nilotic and Bantu migrations of the past 3,000 years (see Figure 1)
link

and the results of the Amarna family




link

A recent skeletal analysis also found made similar notes:

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On this basis, many have postulated that the Badarians are relatives to South African populations (Morant, 1935 G. Morant, A study of predynastic Egyptian skulls from Badari based on measurements taken by Miss BN Stoessiger and Professor DE Derry, Biometrika 27 (1935), pp. 293–309.Morant, 1935; Mukherjee et al., 1955; Irish and Konigsberg, 2007). The archaeological evidence points to this relationship as well. (Hassan, 1986) and (Hassan, 1988) noted similarities between Badarian pottery and the Neolithic Khartoum type, indicating an archaeological affinity among Badarians and Africans from more southern regions. Furthermore, like the Badarians, Naqada has also been classified with other African groups, namely the Teita (Crichton, 1996; Keita, 1990).

Nutter (1958) noted affinities between the Badarian and Naqada samples, a feature that Strouhal (1971) attributed to their skulls possessing “Negroid” traits. Keita (1992), using craniometrics, discovered that the Badarian series is distinctly different from the later Egyptian series, a conclusion that is mostly confirmed here. In the current analysis, the Badari sample more closely clusters with the Naqada sample and the Kerma sample. However, it also groups with the later pooled sample from Dynasties XVIII–XXV. -- Godde K. (2009) An Examination of Nubian and Egyptian biological distances: Support for biological diffusion or in situ development? Homo. 2009;60(5):389-404.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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Nope. I posted wellover a dozen population studies of both mummies and living Egyptians.
You're a damn lie! You haven't posted a single study on ANCIENT Egyptian remains, while conversely I have posted the studies all 9 ancient mummies who were genetically analyzed and they are all most closely related to modern Sub Saharan African populations. Almost all of your studies are from the late 90's early 2000's and ALL ARE GENETIC...YOU CANNOT ANSWER A QUESTION LIKE THIS BASED ON ONLY ONE LINE OF EVIDENCE. You make the claim that there was a Neolithic revolution in Africa brought on by migrating Eurasian (a claim which has been rejected even by classicist for over 50 years now), yet you have no answer to this:

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There was apparently no “Neolithic revolution” brought by settler colonization, but a gradual process of neolithicization(Midant-Reynes 2000). (Also some of those emigrating may have been carrying Haplotype V, descendents of earlier migrants from the Nile valley, given the postulated “Mesolithic” time of the M35 lineage emigration). It is more probable that the current VII and VIII frequencies, greatest in northern Egypt, reflect in the main (but not solely) movements during the Islamic period (Nebel et al. 2002), when some deliberate settlement of Arab tribes was done in Africa, and the effects of polygamy. There must also have been some impact of Near Easterners who settled in the delta at various times in ancient Egypt (Gardiner 1961). More recent movements, in the last two centuries, must not be forgotten in this assessment. Keita and Boyce, Genetics, Egypt, And History: Interpreting Geographical Patterns Of Y Chromosome Variation,
History in Africa 32 (2005) 221-246
Here are the questions that you can never answer:

"Who were these Eurasians (specific people)? What part of Eurasia did they come from? What language did they speak? What influence did they have on the Nile Valley? What archaeological evidence supports a Eurasian migration into the Nile Valley during Neolithic? Can you cite even 3 contemporary Egyptologist who agree with your assessment of your pile of **** studies?"

You stated on the other forum that you couldn't answer no one could know who these Eurasians were because it was a pre-historic migration, yet you failed to explain how in the Hell almost every archaeologist or linguistic have with certainty identified the inhabitants of the Saharan 8-9,000 years ago and the early Nile Valley as Afro-Asiatic and Nilo-Saharan Africans?

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"the peoples of the steppes and grasslands to the immediate south of Egypt domesticated cattle, as early as 9000 to 8000 B.C. They included peoples from the Afroasiastic linguistic group and the second major African language family, Nilo-Saharan (Wendorf, Schild, Close 1984; Wendorf, et al. 1982). Thus the earliest domestic cattle may have come to Egypt from these southern neighbors, circa 6000 B.C., and not from the Middle East.Pottery, another significant advance in material cultural may also have followed this pattern, initiatied "as early as 9000 B.C. by the Nilo-Saharans and Afrasians who lived to the south of Egypt. Soon thereafter, pots spread to Egyptian sites, almost 2,000 years before the first pottery was made in the Middle East."(Christopher Ehret, "Ancient Egyptian as an African Language, Egypt as an African Culture," in Egypt in Africa, Theodore Celenko (ed), Indiana University Press, 1996, pp. 25-27)
So don't come with that Bs this time...just answer the questions about who these people were. On the flip side you can just admit that no real evidence backs your bs claim because a pre-historic Eurasian migration NEVER HAPPENED...it's a debunked Eurocentric MYTH (the Hamitic Hypothesis).

Quote:
You have posted nothing, and posturing is not going to change that.

Stop being ashamed of your ancestors, Asante/Unbreakable/Sir Shawn. At this point, they must be very ashamed of you. You are not an Egytpian. You have nothing to do with Egypt. Look towards west Africa. Dar Tichit Walata, Ghana, Mali, Songhay, Benin, Nok, yoroba...thats where your ancestors are.
YOU are not Egyptian! YOUR ancestors have nothing to do with ancient Egypt. YOU aren't even African. YOU don't know where my ancestors came from or who they were related to. YOU don't give a damn about modern Egyptians. YOU just don't like black people and wish to belittle blacks in through petty retarded arguments. Oh wait:

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Mama Africa Series

The Kilimanjaro Gene. Although Eurasians are ultimately all “out of Africa,” this rare autosomal allele mostly stayed on the African Continent until modern times when it spread with the forced migration of 15 million Africans destined to be slaves in the Western Hemisphere. It is thus more common in Africans than African Americans and is practically absent in Central Asia, the Mediterranean, Middle East and Far East. Kilimanjaro is the highest mountain in Africa and dominates the Great Rift, the volcanic fault line believed to mark the early home of humanity. The Kilimanjaro gene, although relatively rare even in Africa, is 500 times more common in West Africans than Greeks and 265 times more common in African and African American populations than Mediterranean peoples. Only 1 in every 200 Africans or African Americans have it—half of one percent. It has only a negligible appearance in Central Asian or East European DNA.

The Thuya Gene. One of the autosomal ancestry markers that ran strong in the Royal Egyptian families of the New Kingdom, this not-so-rare gene is Central African in origin and was passed to Thuya from her forbears, Queens of Upper and Lower Egypt and High Priestesses of Hathor, the Mother Goddess. Thuya passed it to her grandson Akhenaten and great-grandson Tutankhamun, among others, as documented in a study of the Amarna mummies by Zahi Hawass, head of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Cairo, in 2010. It is found in 1 in 6 Egyptians and 1 in 8 Africans or African Americans. It crops up in unlikely places around the world such as the Basque region and in Melungeons but is virtually unknown in East and South Asia, as well as Native America.

The Akhenaten Gene. Named for the pharaoh who attempted to convert Egypt to monotheism, this autosomal ancestry marker like most of the Amarna family group’s DNA is clearly African in origin. Akhenaten received it from his mother, Queen Tiye. It is most common today in Copts, the successors to the ancient Egyptians. The ancient marker makes a good showing in the Middle East and parts of southern Europe close to Africa, such as southern Italy and Spain. But it is mostly absent in Asia and the Americas, except where brought there by Africans or people carrying some African ancestry. About 1 in 6 Africans or African Americans has it.

The King Tut Gene. Tutankhamun is the most famous of all pharaohs. He was the son and successor of Akhenaten, grandson of Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye and great-grandson of the royal matriarch Queen Thuya. The archeologist Howard Carter’s opening of his intact tomb in the Valley of the Kings in 1922 ranks among the most splendid discoveries of history. In 2010, genetic fingerprinting of his mummy determined that he died at the early age of 19 as the result of violence or an accident to which the incestuous relationship of his parents and several genetic defects contributed. Tutankhamun actually carries a “double dose” of the allele named for him. Like most of the other genes in the family, it is Central African in ancient origin, but unlike the other alleles it has a widespread, albeit sparse distribution outside Africa. Still, Africans (and African-influenced populations) are ten times more likely to have it than non-Africans.

Citation: Hawass Z, Gad YZ, Ismail S, et al. Ancestry and Pathology in King Tutankhamun's Family. JAMA. 2010;303(7):638-647.

The Egyptian Gene. Although not carried in the royal mummies whose DNA has been studied so far, this autosomal ancestry marker is also clearly African in origin and enjoys its greatest spread in Egyptians. Quite rare worldwide, it is found in about 1 in 10 Copts, today’s successors to the ancient Egyptians. Less than one percent of European Americans have it, while African Americans preserve it at a rate of three times that of their white neighbors. Oddly, East Coast Indians and Melungeons have it at elevated levels. It is hardly noticeable in Asia, suggesting that it did not form a significant part of the Great Migration of Humanity out of Africa about 100,000 years ago but spread to Eurasian populations primarily from Egypt and the Middle East in historical times.
http://dnaconsultants.com/rare-genes-from-history

Now what was that you were saying about African Americans?

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Old 03-06-2013, 05:29 AM
 
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Scholars now generally agree that Egypt's origins lay in Nubia/northern Sudan which of course was itself the result of retreating migrants (primarily Nilotic) from the desertificating Sahara. The people of Uganda and the Great Lakes region are recent Nilotic migrants from the Nile Valley and interestingly enough these people haplogroup A and B carrying Nilotes of this general region (the Great Lakes, Southern Sudan, Southwest Ethiopia) tend to show the greatest cultural and genetic similarity to the inhabitants of the Nile Valley during the formative stages of Egypt and of course Nubia:


5b Modern Cu****es/ Nubians (continued) - YouTube

or

or

Notice how my evidence includes sources linguistics, culture, archaeology ON TOP OF biological evidence (anthropology AND genetics) and most of which in a contextualized format by contemporary scholars/Egyptologist validating the indigenous Northeast African origins of ancient Egypt. Chachibatches on the other hand has been spamming a "mountain of evidence" and almost all of which are genetic (Just one piece of the puzzle) all conducted during the late 90's/early 2000's and have been superceded/debunked by more recent studies....ONE OF HIS STUDIES CLAIMS THAT NUBIANS WERE MOSTLY WHITE...COME ON NOW! The ****s pathetic and only gets support from classicist/racist who can't get a grip on the reality of this situation...The ancient Egyptians were originally black Africans.

Of course contemporary genetic analysis gives support to the cultural assessment linking the Nilotic peoples of the Upper Nile/Great Lakes to early ancient Egypt



and of course this study just released last year which actually analyzed ANCIENT remains of the pre-dynastic Nile Valley confirms the Nilotic dominance along the Nile during this period in history:

link

Dnatribes obtained the Str profiles of the Amarna period pharaohs and the more recently tested results of Ramses III and his son and...:

link

and the results of the Amarna family




link

A recent skeletal analysis also found made similar notes:
DNA tribes is a proven fraud as we have ALREADY BEEN OVER A DOZEN TIMES:

PROBLEMS WITH DNA TRIBES AND RAMSES STUDIES IS THAT THEY WERE BOTH PERFORMED BY ALBERT ZINK, WHO HAS ADMITTED THAT HE FALSIFIED:
"Zink has stated that the tests did not get the same results each time they were run and the results reported in the JAMA paper are those the team adjudged "most likely" based on "majority rule" (Curse of the Pharaoh's DNA AWT Conference Review, Marchant; 2011)
The same team (including Zink) that worked on the 2010 study also worked 2012 study "Revisiting the harem conspiracy and death of Ramesses III: anthropological, forensic, radiological, and genetic study".
PROBLEMS WITH DNA EXTRACTION METHODS AND CONTAMINATION
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110427/full/472404a.html
ALSO, THERE IS THE PROBLEM IN BOTH STUDIES OF USING TOO FEW AUTOSOMAL MARKERS:
http://hamiticunion.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=38
"Thus the answer to the question “How often is a pair of individuals from one population genetically more dissimilar than two individuals chosen from two different populations?” depends on the number of polymorphisms used to define that dissimilarity and the populations being compared. The answer, can be read from Figure 2. Given 10 loci, three distinct populations, and the full spectrum of polymorphisms (Figure 2E), the answer is 0.3, or nearly one-third of the time. With 100 loci, the answer is 20% of the time and even using 1000 loci, 10%. However, if genetic similarity is measured over many thousands of loci, the answer becomes “never” when individuals are sampled from geographically separated populations." This DNA Tribes paper uses even fewer loci than 10, so its margin of error is considerably higher than 30%. What good are genetic 'findings' that are around 40% likely to be wrong? Not especially useful let alone accurate.

Now for REAL populations studies.



VARIOUS DNA STUDIES PROVING EURASIAN ADMIXUTRE IN ANCIENT EGYPTIANS:

Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Diversity in a Sedentary Population from Egypt
[SIZE=3]A. Stevanovitch[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1529-8817.2003.00057.x/full[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Mitochondrial genetic data from North Africa are documented by two groups of populations: one composed of populations of the Nile Valley, and the other by populations of the Maghreb. The Nile Valley has been shown to be a migration corridor with populations connected by gene flow ([/SIZE][SIZE=3]Krings et al. 1999[/SIZE][SIZE=3]), and phylogeographical analysis of mitochondrial lineages of populations from the Maghreb suggests that modern humans appeared from the Near East following at least two migrations around 50 000 years and 10 000 years ago. A possible migration from Europe may also have occurred during the Neolithic period ([/SIZE][SIZE=3]Macaulay et al. 1999[/SIZE][SIZE=3]).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
Population history of north Africa: evidence from classical genetic markers.-
Bosch
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9708245325/population-history-north-africa-evidence-from-classical-genetic-markers
[SIZE=3]After an intensive bibliographic search, we compiled all the available data on allele frequencies for classical genetic polymorphisms referring to North African populations and synthesized the data in an attempt to reconstruct the populations' demographic history using two complementary methods: (1) principal components analysis and (2) genetic distances represented by neighbor-joining trees. In both analyses the main feature of the genetic landscape in northern Africa is an east-west pattern of variation pointing to the differentiation between the Berber and Arab population groups of the northwest and the populations of Libya and Egypt. Moreover, Libya and Egypt show the smallest genetic distances with the European populations, including the Iberian Peninsula. The most plausible interpretation of these results is that, although demic diffusion during the Neolithic could explain the genetic similarity between northeast Africa and Europe by a parallel process of gene flow from the Near East, a Mesolithic (or older) differentiation of the populations in the northwestern regions with later limited gene flow is needed to understand the genetic picture. The most isolated groups (Mauritanians, Tuaregs, and south Algerian Berbers) were the most differentiated and, although no clear structure can be discerned among the different Arab- and Berber-speaking groups, Arab speakers as a whole are closer to Egyptians and Libyans. By contrast, the genetic contribution of sub-Saharan Africa appears to be small.[/SIZE]


Near eastern neolithic genetic input in a small oasis of the Egyptian Western Desert.
[SIZE=3]Am J Phys Anthropol.[/SIZE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19425100
[SIZE=3]Notwithstanding signs of expected genetic drift, we still found clear genetic evidence of a strong Near Eastern input that can be dated into the Neolithic. This is revealed by high frequencies and high internal variability of several mtDNA lineages from haplogroup T. The whole genome sequencing strategy and molecular dating allowed us to detect the accumulation of local mtDNA diversity to 5,138 +/- 3,633 YBP. Similarly, theY-chromosome gene pool reveals high frequencies of the Near Eastern J1[/SIZE]

The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations
JR LUIS
[SIZE=3]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182266/[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]"Paleoanthropological evidence indicates that both the Levantine corridor and the Horn of Africa served, repeatedly, as migratory corridors between Africa and Eurasia. We have begun investigating the roles of these passageways in bidirectional migrations of anatomically modern humans, by analyzing 45 informative biallelic markers as well as 10 microsatellite loci on the nonrecombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) in 121 and 147 extant males from Oman and northern Egypt, respectively. The present study uncovers three important points concerning these demic movements: (1) The E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 lineages, as well as the R1*-M173 lineages, mark gene flow between Egypt and the Levant during the Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic. (2) In contrast, the Horn of Africa appears to be of minor importance in the human migratory movements between Africa and Eurasia represented by these chromosomes, an observation based on the frequency distributions of E3b*-M35 (no known downstream mutations) and M173. (3) The areal diffusion patterns of G-M201, J-12f2, the derivative M173 haplogroups, and M2 suggest more recent genetic associations between the Middle East and Africa, involving the Levantine corridor and/or Arab slave routes. Affinities to African groups were also evaluated by determining the NRY haplogroup composition in 434 samples from seven sub-Saharan African populations. Oman and Egypt’s NRY frequency distributions appear to be much more similar to those of the Middle East than to any sub-Saharan African population, suggesting a much larger Eurasian genetic component"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
"Synthetic maps of Africa". The History and Geography of Human Genes.
Cavalli-Sforza.
http://books.google.com/books?id=FrwNcwKaUKoC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepag e&q&f=false
The gradient is clearly rooted in the relatively ancient presence of Caucasoids in a Northern strip along the Mediterranean and in additions from West Asia, which are visible in the second and third components....the C gene shows a clear North-South gradient, being frequent amongst Caucasoids and almost absent in sub-Sahara Africa. THERE ARE PEAKS IN EGYPT AND IN NORTHWESTERN AFRICA
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]

Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations
BrennaHenn
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1002397
We identify a gradient of likely autochthonous Maghrebi ancestry that increases from east to west across northern Africa; this ancestry is likely derived from “back-to-Africa” gene flow more than 12,000 years ago (ya), prior to the Holocene. The indigenous North African ancestry is more frequent in populations with historical Berber ethnicity. In most North African populations we also see substantial shared ancestry with the Near East, and to a lesser extent sub-Saharan Africa and Europe.

Y-chromosome analysis in Egypt suggests a genetic regional continuity in northeastern AfricaManni
Y-chromosome analysis in Egypt suggests a genetic r... [Hum Biol. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI
"In conclusion, our analyses have identified a genetic regional continuity between the northeastern part of Africa (Egypt), the Middle East, and southern Europe. In agreement with the ethnohistorical connections between NE Africa and the Middle East, the genetic data confirm that Egypt, occupying an intermediate position along these routes, has been an important contact zone between the three continents."


The emerging tree of West Eurasian mtDNAs: a synthesis of control-region sequences and RFLPs.
[SIZE=3]Am. J. Hum[/SIZE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1377722/
We show that the main indigenous North African cluster is a sister group to the most ancient cluster of European mtDNAs, from which it diverged approximately 50,000 years ago.


Mitochondrial DNA structure in North Africa reveals a genetic discontinuity in the Nile
[SIZE=3]Karima Fadhlaoui-Zid[/SIZE]
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21472/abstract
Human population movements in North Africa have been mostly restricted to an east-west direction due to the geographical barriers imposed by the Sahara Desert and the Mediterranean Sea. Although these barriers have not completely impeded human migrations, genetic studies have shown that an east-west genetic gradient exists. However, the lack of genetic information of certain geographical areas and the focus of some studies in parts of the North African landscape have limited the global view of the genetic pool of North African populations. To provide a global view of the North African genetic landscape and population structure, we have analyzed 2,300 North African mitochondrial DNA lineages (including 269 new sequences from Libya, in the first mtDNA study of the general Libyan population). Our results show a clinal distribution of certain haplogroups, some of them more frequent in Western (H, HV0, L1b, L3b, U6) or Eastern populations (L0a, R0a, N1b, I, J) that might be the result of human migrations from the Middle East, sub-Saharan Africa, and Europe. Despite this clinal pattern, a genetic discontinuity is found in the Libyan/Egyptian border, suggesting a differential gene flow in the Nile River Valley. Finally, frequency of the post-LGM subclades H1 and H3 is predominant in Libya within the H sequences, highlighting the magnitude of the LGM expansion in North Africa. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2011. © 2011 Wiley-Liss, Inc.


North African Populations Carry the Signature of Admixture with Neandertals
Federico Sánchez-Quinto
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0047765
[SIZE=3]The results of the f4 ancestry ratio test ([/SIZE][SIZE=3]Table 2[/SIZE][SIZE=3] and Table S1) show that North African populations vary in the percentage of Neandertal inferred admixture, primarily depending on the amount of European or Near Eastern ancestry they present ([/SIZE][SIZE=3]Table 1[/SIZE][SIZE=3]). Populations like North Morocco and Egypt, with the highest European and Near Eastern component (~40%), have also the highest amount of Neandertal ancestry (~60–70%)....Furthermore, the Neandertal's genetic signal is higher in populations with a local, pre-Neolithic North African ancestry. Therefore, the detected ancient admixture is not due to recent Near Eastern or European migrations.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]DNA STUDY PROVING MODERN EGYPTIANS 90% GENETICALLY IDENTICAL TO ANCIENTS:[/SIZE]
PROOF Modern Egyptians descend from Ancient Egyptians -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz50_nx8UDg

STUDIES SHOWING THAT SUB SAHRAN AFRICA DNA- NOT EURASIAN- HAS INCREASED IN MODERN TIMES- SOME ALSO CONTAIN DATA ON EURASIAN DNA

Research on ancient DNA in the Near East
Mateusz Baca
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26068943/Baca-Molak-2008-DNA-Near-East
To obtain the frequencies of these mtDNA types, amplification of the HVRI region and three RFLP markers was conducted. The authors succeeded in analysing RFLP markers in 34 samples and HVRI sequences in 18 of the samples. Both populations, ancient and contemporary, fit the north-south clinal distribution of “southern” and “northern” mtDNA types (Graver et al. 2001). However, significant differences were found between these populations. Based on an increased frequency of HpaI 3592 (+) haplotypes in the contemporary Dakhlehian population, the authors suggested that, since Roman times, gene flow from the Sub-Saharan region has affected gene frequencies of individuals from the oasis.


mtDNA analysis in ancient Nubians supports the existence of gene flow between sub-Sahara and North Africa in the Nile valley
C. Fox, 1997
The Hpal (np3,592) mitochondrial DNA marker is a selectively neutral mutation that is very common in sub-Saharan Africa and is almost absent in North African and European populations. It has been screened in a Meroitic sample from ancient Nubia through PCR amplification and posterior enzyme digestion, to evaluate the sub-Saharan genetic influences in this population. From 29 individuals analysed, only 15 yield positive amplifications, four of them (26·7%) displaying the sub-Saharan African marker. Hpa I (np3,592) marker is present in the sub-Saharan populations at a frequency of 68·7 on average. Thus, the frequency of genes from this area in the Merotic Nubian population can be estimated at around 39% (with a confidence interval from 22% to 55%). The frequency obtained fits in a south-north decreasing gradient of Hpa I (np3,592) along the African continent. Results suggest that morphological changes observed historically in the Nubian populations are more likely to be due to the existence of south-north gene flow through the Nile Valley than to in-situ evolution.


Mitochondrial DNA Research in the Dakhleh Oasis, Egypt
Alison M. GraverMolecular genetic research is being conducted as part of the Dakhleh Oasis Project (DOP), an international and multi-disciplinary research initiative in the western desert of Egypt. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is being analyzed from both ancient human skeletal remains associated with the Roman period town of Kellis (100 to 450 AD) and contemporary inhabitants of the Dakhleh Oasis. The primary objectives of this research are to derive paleogenetic information about the inhabitants of ancient Kellis, and to develop a picture of change over time within this desert oasis. Preliminary mtDNA restriction site data and control region sequence variability suggest significant genetic differences exist between the ancient and modern oasis populations
mtDNA Analysis of Nile River Valley Populations: A Genetic Corridor or a Barrier to Migration?
Krings
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707631826
To assess the extent to which the Nile River Valley has been a corridor for human migrations between Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa, we analyzed mtDNA variation in 224 individuals from various locations along the river. Sequences of the first hypervariable segment (HV1) of the mtDNA control region and a polymorphic HpaI site at position 3592 allowed us to designate each mtDNA as being of northern or southern affiliation. Proportions of northern and southern mtDNA differed significantly between Egypt, Nubia, and the southern Sudan. At slowly evolving sites within HV1, northern-mtDNA diversity was highest in Egypt and lowest in the southern Sudan, and southern-mtDNA diversity was highest in the southern Sudan and lowest in Egypt, indicating that migrations had occurred bidirectionally along the Nile River Valley. Egypt and Nubia have low and similar amounts of divergence for both mtDNA types, which is consistent with historical evidence for long-term interactions between Egypt and Nubia. Spatial autocorrelation analysis demonstrates a smooth gradient of decreasing genetic similarity of mtDNA types as geographic distance between sampling localities increases, strongly suggesting gene flow along the Nile, with no evident barriers. We conclude that these migrations probably occurred within the past few hundred to few thousand years and that the migration from north to south was either earlier or lesser in the extent of gene flow than the migration from south to north.

GENETIC STUDIES ON OTHER AFRICAN GROUPS PROVING BACK MIGRATION

A Predominantly Neolithic Origin for Y-Chromosomal DNA Variation in North Africa Arredi
A Predominantly Neolithic Origin for Y-Chromosomal DNA Variation in North Africa
"We have typed 275 men from five populations in Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt with a set of 119 binary markers and 15 microsatellites from the Y chromosome, and we have analyzed the results together with published data from Moroccan populations. North African Y-chromosomal diversity is geographically structured and fits the pattern expected under an isolation-by-distance model Autocorrelation analyses reveal an east-west cline of genetic variation that extends into the Middle East and is compatible with a hypothesis of demic expansion. This expansion must have involved relatively small numbers of Y chromosomes to account for the reduction in gene diversity towards the West that accompanied the frequency increase of Y haplogroup E3b2, but gene flow must have been maintained to explain the observed pattern of isolation-by-distance. Since the estimates of the times to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCAs) of the most common haplogroups are quite recent, we suggest that the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation is largely of Neolithic origin. Thus, we propose that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic–speaking pastoralists from the Middle East."...[SIZE=3] that most of the rest fell into haplogroup U6 (Salas et al. [/SIZE][SIZE=3]2002[/SIZE][SIZE=3]), which perhaps originated in the Near East and spread into North Africa ~30 thousand years (KY) ago (KYA)[/SIZE]

Mitochondrial DNA transit between West Asia and North Africa inferred from U6 phylogeography
[SIZE=3]Nicole Maca-Meyer[/SIZE]
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/4/15
World-wide phylogeographic distribution of human complete mitochondrial DNA sequences suggested a West Asian origin for the autochthonous North African lineage U6. We report here a more detailed analysis of this lineage, unraveling successive expansions that affected not only Africa but neighboring regions such as the Near East, the Iberian Peninsula and the Canary Islands.

[SIZE=3]The mtDNA legacy of the Levantine early Upper Palaeolithic in Africa.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Olivieri A[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Sequencing of 81 entire human mitochondrial DNAs (mtDNAs) belonging to haplogroups M1 and U6 reveals that these predominantly North African clades arose in southwestern Asia and moved together to Africa about 40,000 to 45,000 years ago. Their arrival temporally overlaps with the event(s) that led to the peopling of Europe by modern humans and was most likely the result of the same change in climate conditions that allowed humans to enter the Levant, opening the way to the colonization of both Europe and North Africa[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Fulvio Cruciani et al.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Abstract[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Although human Y chromosomes belonging to haplogroup R1b are quite rare in Africa, being found mainly in Asia and Europe, a group of chromosomes within the paragroup R-P25* are found concentrated in the central-western part of the African continent, where they can be detected at frequencies as high as 95%. Phylogenetic evidence and coalescence time estimates suggest that R-P25* chromosomes (or their phylogenetic ancestor) may have been carried to Africa by an Asia-to-Africa back migration in prehistoric times. Here, we describe six new mutations that define the relationships among the African R-P25* Y chromosomes and between these African chromosomes and earlier reported R-P25 Eurasian sub-lineages. The incorporation of these new mutations into a phylogeny of the R1b haplogroup led to the identification of a new clade (R1b1a or R-V88) encompassing all the African R-P25* and about half of the few European/west Asian R-P25* chromosomes. A worldwide phylogeographic analysis of the R1b haplogroup provided strong support to the Asia-to-Africa back-migration hypothesis. The analysis of the distribution of the R-V88 haplogroup in >1800 males from 69 African populations revealed a striking genetic contiguity between the Chadic-speaking peoples from the central Sahel and several other Afroasiatic-speaking groups from North Africa. The R-V88 coalescence time was estimated at 9200–5600 kya, in the early mid Holocene. We suggest that R-V88 is a paternal genetic record of the proposed mid-Holocene migration of proto-Chadic Afroasiatic speakers through the Central Sahara into the Lake Chad Basin, and geomorphological evidence is consistent with this view.[/SIZE]
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STUDY SHOWING BODY LENGHTS ARE NOT TROPICAL, BUT INTERMEDIATE, AND PROBABLY SO DUE TO PHENOTYPICAL DEVELOPMENT

Egyptian Body Size: A Regional and Worldwide
Michelle H. Raxter
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/vi...xter%202011%22
n Ancient Egyptians as a whole generally exhibit intermediate body breadths relative to
higher and lower latitude populations, with Lower Egyptians possessing wider body
breadths, as well as lower brachial and crural indices, compared to Upper Egyptians and
Upper Nubians. This may suggest that Egyptians are closely related to circum-
Mediterranean and/or Near Eastern groups, but quickly developed limb length

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WHAT DR KEITA ACTUALLY SAYS ABOUT THE RACE OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZssWb4MmGM

[SIZE=3]Genetic Variation of 15 autosomal STR loci in Upper (Southern) Egyptians[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Ohmran[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Local comparisons between Upper Egyptians were carried out with other ethnic groups in Egypt, based on frequency and molecular data. No differences were observed in comparison with a general Caucasian population from Cairo in any of the nine loci compared or with Egyptian Christians from Cairo…Multi-dimensional scaling (MDS) based on pair-wise FST genetic distances of Upper Egyptian and other diverse global populations. OCE, Oceanian; ME, Middle Eastern; NAF, North African; EAS, East Asian; SSA, sub-Saharan African; UEGY, Upper Egyptian; SAS, South Asian; EUR, European. The figure shows that Oceania and American populations are very distant from Upper Egyptians (marked by a grey triangle) and other populations. The Upper Egyptian population is closer to the Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian and European populations than others. (Genetic variation of 15 autosomal STR loci in Upper (Southern) Egyptians, Omran et al 2008.)[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]The M1 and U6 haplogroups originated simultaneously in Western Asia, and spread together with modern humans into Northern Africa. These early populations may represent the root stock of of the early settlers/inhabitants of the Eastern Sahara who were subsequently to people the Nile valley and build one of the first organized city states...the Egyptian Pharaonic empire[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Aubrey et at 2008[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Attested presence of Caucasian people in Northern Africa goes up to Paleolithic times. Linguistic research suggests that the Afro-asiatic phylum of languages could have originated and extended with these Caucasians. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Maca-Meyer et al 2003[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Afro-Asiatic was introduced into Africa along with immigrant farmers and herdsmen from the near East 10,000 to 7,000 years ago. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Turner 2008[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Indigenous North Africans are genetically quite distinct from Sub-Saharan Africans and this difference is reflected in their lighter skin and European/Middle Eastern physical features. We have previously suggested, on the basis of the distribution of the mtDNA type M1 that North Africans are largely descended from a back migration into Africa within the last 2000 to 15,000 years, resettling the temporarily lush Sahara and spreading the Afro-Asiatic language family. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Forrester 2007[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]These new colonizers of North Africa were of Caucasian surface phenotype. Then a second wave of afro-Asiatic expansion exploded from the Palestine Syriac center (the Afro-Asiatic homeland) probably for reasons associated with the genesis of agriculture, which would locate the expanison at about 10,000 BP. The new expansion into North Africa again virtually covered up the entire area of the first Afro-Asiatic North Africa settlement[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Chin 2007[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]The first M1 backflow into Africa dated around 30,000 ya, is co-incidental with a harsh glacial period which suggests that this human retreat to Africa could be forced by climatic conditions...the northwestern African M1c and the probable central M1b expansions are co-incidental with the Iberomaurusian and Capsian industries[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Gonzales et al 2007[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]aDNA anaylsis was possible to uncover the genetic heritage of prehistoric man (Iberomaurusian) from the Taforalt groto in Morocco (13,000 yeas BP) consisting of a North African and a Eurasian component. The absence of sub-sahara gentic polymorphisms suggested that Taforalt individuals did not originate from the sub-saharan region. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Kefi 2011[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]The near Eastern Haplogroups J and T (and probably K) appear to be concentrated more towards the East, mirroring the higher densities of U6, H, and V in the West. These may reflect the spread of the Neolithic into North Africa from the Levant [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Pereira 2010[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Genetic variation and population structure of Sudanese populations as indicated by 15 Identifiler sequence-tagged repeat (STR) loci[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]PCA indicated that the Egyptian, Coptic, Somali, and to some extent the Nubian groups form genetically distinct population...the Somali population is of both Eurasian and Sub Saharan African origin, as suggest5ed by a recent study, potentially explaining the differentiation of this population from some East African groups, although many of the Sudansese populations, including the Arabs and the Beja, may also have mixed Eurasian and Sub-Saharan origin[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Babiker 2011[/SIZE]
 
Old 03-06-2013, 05:44 AM
 
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To anyone following the argument, I am sorry that all the data that I have gathered does not format well on this forum, and I am sorry that some of the last are mere quotes rather than the entire study (I am looking for the studies).

But you can probaly find about 2 dozen on there that you can check out for yourselves. This is settled science- and this guy is a clown who posts this gargabe on multiple forums under various names.

All you have to do is find one of his genius quotes where he claims that Eurasian back migration has been disproven, and then look at the dozens of GENETICISTS who say otherwise. Has he posted even one to back his tired story?

This guy is a clown. Anyone who is interested, please take these studies, messy as my post is, and use them as a basis for debunking clowns like this all over the internet.

They are trying to steal a heritage from it rightful owners. They are trying to find something in common witha people who lived on the other side of the continent, were by all studies a genotypically a very mixed race with very little sub-saharan, mostly had demonstrably lighter skin and finer featues, and spoke a differnt language group.

And where are the love of their own, REAL ancestors? Where is the pride in Dhar Tichit Walata, Ghana, Mali, Songhay, Benin, etc?

This is fraudulent, and very sad.
 
Old 03-06-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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Reputation: 153
lol This is the reason why I've pretty much began ignoring anything that comes of out your mouth. You don't know what in the Hell you're talking about, which is evident in that you cannot and will not directly answer any of my questions. Your response to my specific questions is the same wall of uncontextualized, flawed, dated and or highly misinterpreted studies (which has already been proven to you over on the other forum) studies and unpublished thesis papers (yes thesis papers). YOU EVEN ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN READ THESE STUDIES, BUT ONLY THE SNIPPETS HANDED TO YOU BY EUROCENTRIC BLOGGERS:

Quote:
Originally Posted by cachibatches View Post
and I am sorry that some of the last are mere quotes rather than the entire study (I am looking for the studies).
You haven't even read your damn sources! This is why you cannot cite a Basil Davidson, S.O.Y. Keita or Ian Shaw (or any African scholar/Egyptologist) who will argue against the indigenous African origins of the ancient Egyptians. Your theory of some mas pre-historic migration of "Eurasians" (which you have yet to specify who they were) has been debunked for half a century now. Hell even a guy who wrote an entire book about the "flaws" of "Afrocentrism" admitted this:

Quote:
"No serious contemporary scholar, however,appears to doubt that the great bulk of the predynastic and Pharonic population was of indigenous African origin (see, for example,Hoffman 1991; Rice 1991)"--S. Howe (1999) Afrocentrism: mythical pasts and imagined homes. Verso. pg 132.
lmfao an Afrocentric CRITIC wrote this, and yet you want to still pretend that the ancient Egyptians were not the result of indigenous Northeast African diversity. Here's the breakdown of those northeast Africans btw:

Quote:
"Analysis of crania is the traditional approach to assessing ancient population origins, relationships, and diversity. In studies based on anatomical traits and measurements of crania, similarities have been found between Nile Valley crania from 30,000, 20,000 and 12,000 years ago and various African remains from more recent times (see Thoma 1984; Brauer and Rimbach 1990; Angel and Kelley 1986; Keita 1993). Studies of crania from southern predynastic Egypt, from the formative period (4000-3100 B.C.), show them usually to be more similar to the crania of ancient Nubians, Ku****es, Saharans, or modern groups from the Horn of Africa than to those of dynastic northern Egyptians or ancient or modern southern Europeans."
(S. O. Y and A.J. Boyce, "The Geographical Origins and Population Relationships of Early Ancient Egyptians", in Egypt in Africa, Theodore Celenko (ed), Indiana University Press, 1996, pp. 20-33)
Confirmation that the ancient Egyptians looked like a variety of black Africans.

Your criticism of dnatribes comes from a blogger who pretends to be a East Africans running a Eurocentric blog, and NO ONE ELSE! You criticize DNAtribes but you don't say a damn thing about DNAconsultants analysis of those same Amarana pharaohs who got the SAME central African genetic matches as Dnatribes which were based on the available Str's from Hawass's study. The ancient Egyptians were originally black Africans get over it!

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