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The worst thing from a guy jumpin' from the 50s right to the 2010s is that he would have missed the rock years, no Beatles, no Pink Floyd, no Pearl Jam...it would sucks a lot
for the rest he would be appalled at the divorce rate, at men going out like they were criminals with all those tatooes...
and women/girls going around dressed like sluts
and that we (you) in 2018 still don't have basic stuff like universal healthcare and free education...
I’d have to defer to you since I wasn’t born until the late 1960’s but I’ve always been confused about this.
In the early 1900’s, my great x 3 aunt was a physician: Dr. Amy Miles Dr. Amy Miles was married ... to a Dr. E. Miles. Another great x’s 3 aunt; was a professor at CU. She was not married. My great x 3 grandmother was widowed with 6 children to raise & took over the grocery store her husband had been co-owner of.
She eventually remarried but had managed to purchase huge portions of ranch land across Colorado & Nebraska. Ranch land that ended up being in the direct path of where the Union Pacific wanted to go.
The railroad executives knew better than to assume the Mr. would be handling the negotiations... it was clear that it was her money, her land & the ball was in her court.
This has remained the status of women in my family. If you want to; you do it. If you don’t; you don’t have to.
My mother, born in 1942; was a double PhD & so was her sister. Her sister also had her MD. Both married, both mothers.
No secretaries, receptionists or clerks (actually; my paternal grandmother tried to get her certificate as a secretary during the Depression but got expelled ... for giggling in class).
So; while I’m not challenging your perception; which is based on having “been there”, I’m just wondering what/who it was that was limiting women back then?
Now; what I do remember was the aftermath of the 60’s-70’s counterculture; from the perspective of the kids.
So many of my friends had to endure divorce. Not divorce due to abuse or addictions but because everybody’s mom wanted to go “find themselves”. Usually this was accomplished by becoming a real-estate agent & sending the kids to school with house keys around their necks.
Do you think that your childhood may have been different if your parents had started their family during the late 60’s-70’s vs the late 40’s-50’s?
On Dad's side, it would have been different for him. He got out of the Navy after WW2, and knew what he wanted. His ambition had always been to become an engineer. He had familiaity to much more than he would have, (he worked in and ran communications in the war), and had never wanted to live on a farm. As soon as the war ended, he started looking for someone who would consider his experience as valuable. He also started a business when tv's became more common, repairing them, to tide the family over. I think Dad would have found a place in the new technologies 40's or 60's as it was 'the plan since he got old enough to read. The last place he would hang around was the farm.
Mom would have said no to him when he wanted her to quit. She DIDN'T want to. She was one of the few women animators hired by Disney. It was her goal. She had gotten far less likely to do it since Dad said so. But her second chance had long ago flown.
It was interesting with me. I knew I wanted to have a profession. I loved history and wanted to be a teacher. But I had to take one more class when I signed up for classes in my first year. I still loved history, but when I found programming it was what was made just for me. And I got hired after I got the certificate. I missed it deeply, but it was a time when both physical computers and their operating setup and language had changed..... so except for Eric, they fired all of us
*Eric oversaw the operations on the old system, and the new one was written IN the code for itself... so if they wanted to run anything, they paid him. He was ready to retire when it all finished. The rest of us weren't so lucky.
You can love people without being able to share a house with them. I was never that much like Mom but am Dad... and just him and I together without a referee wasn't going to go well.
I moved in with my friend, and we tried to help. Dad grudgingly let him. But he was mentally losing it.
When he was gone, I thought of all which should have been said. But Dad and I were too much like each other. I can think of lots of things to say now, but that spaceship has gone into warp already....
I wish I could tell people to keep trying, and put up with the stress because some day when its over you might wish you had.
Still think a lot about my dad, and still stubborn and more wishing you could get back the time you let get lost.
I was chatting to some friends about that the other day - imagine showing off a smartphone to someone in the 1950s.
- "I carry this device that lets me look up pretty much every everything and communicate with anyone om the globe."
- "That is magnificent! What do you use it for?"
- "Ehm... Mostly looking at amusing cat videos and having arguments with people I'll never meet."
That's a loaded assumption. In the 1950s domestic abuse was more prevalent, as were lynchings, church bombings, violent crime, you name it.
I think people are mostly the same whatever the era. Morality doesn't change, laws change. We have better laws now and a lot of kinds of "immorality" have improved. Of course, because people are the same, other problem areas emerge. But I'd hardly say that was a more moral time. A lot of that is skewed by the fact that TV and movies largely only showed wholesome people. But that didn't represent reality.
The worst thing from a guy jumpin' from the 50s right to the 2010s is that he would have missed the rock years, no Beatles, no Pink Floyd, no Pearl Jam...it would sucks a lot
The Beatles? In the sixties Beatles records were being burned (disproportionately in the South - no surprise - but beyond as well). You may lament that Joe Fifties missed out on the Fab Five, but he was likely to be even less inclined to embrace the Beatles. And Pink Floyd, with their unconcealed socialism and disdain for war in general and the Cold War in particular? Or Pearl Jam's rage against capitalism? I'm not making musical judgments here (I like the Beatles and Pink Floyd, though Pearl Jam mostly bores me) but plop their music down in 1955 and while some would love it, many more would be thoroughly appalled.
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for the rest he would be appalled at the divorce rate, at men going out like they were criminals with all those tatooes...
and women/girls going around dressed like sluts
Yes, the fifties were a time of extreme conformity enforced by shaming and overt discrimination by those such as employers, administrators, property owners, and so forth. You conformed - you looked like you were 'supposed to' look, you stayed married because you were 'supposed to' (and because the government generally made it very difficult to get divorced, because that was a time when the government was much more heavily involved in regulating personal relationships) - or you were punished by society.
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...You conformed - you looked like you were 'supposed to' look, you stayed married because you were 'supposed to' (and because: .....***** the government generally made it very difficult to get divorced******* .......), because that was a time when the government was much more heavily involved in regulating personal relationships) - or you were punished by society.[/quote]
....How did the gov't make it difficult to get divorced??????
I got married in 1954 and my late wife and I were going into our 52nd year of marriage when she passed away from cancer.......
I did have some friends that got divorced in the 1950s, and there was no gov't intervention in the proceedings........
Please elaborate on your statement........
It is only true that some people who experienced the 1950s asserted that things were better then. I'll again post the following survey from 2016... https://www.prri.org/research/poll-1...post-election/
...in which even 42% of those 65+ (ie, born in or before 1951) state that the present is better than the fifties.
Those who were not allowed to vote - and were beaten or had dogs turned upon them if they tried to register - would likely disagree, to say nothing of those hanged or otherwise murdered for being 'too uppity'. I'm guessing a lot of women decline to long for the days when they had to get the consent of their husbands to receive credit, when they couldn't leave an abusive marriage because of restrictive divorce law, or when marital rape was legal (yes, I know some define legally forcing people to remain married as 'moral'). I doubt there's an LGBT person alive who wistfully longs for the 1950s (similarly, I know that some think that the criminal and social oppression of gays is 'moral').
And economics? Opportunities were much more limited if you were non-white or female. The poverty rate was significantly higher. On the other hand, we actually had a progressive income tax rate designed to pay off the national debt by taking the top brackets at 90+%.
In any era there will be people who didn't have it as good as others. Utopia never has and never will exist.
yeah, but after looking at the millennial males can you blame them?
lmao.
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