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Old 11-28-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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With Hitler employing both Pagan and occult symbolism and had met and corresponded with Aleister Crowley who was head of Thelema which was a spiritual philosophy or religion that was developed in the early 20th century by Crowley himself.

It is widely known that Hitler and his inner circle developed many rituals that employed Thelema as well as Pagan doctrine in the initiation process of chosen men into the SS.

Because of this fact Hitler could no more have been an atheist than Anton Lavey the head and founder of the church of Satan could have been.

Demonic force cannot exist without the opposite which would be known as God in many religions.

To say that Hitler was an atheist is laughable.
There was some Norse Pagan and occult ideas and themes surrounding early Nazism however they were rejected by Hitler. Furthermore, many of those who engaged or were thought to have engaged in occult/esoteric practices to concentration camps most notably the Freemasons, though a fair amount of the organized Pagan groups in Germany were effectively banned by the 1935 Anti-Masonic laws. Nazis had version of Christianity called "positive Christianity" that focused on the belief that Jesus was Aryan and worked tirelessly in opposition to the Jews. It was essentially Christianity mixed with even more extreme anti-semitism then the Anti-Semeitism that was typical of Christianity at the time. This is essesentially what Hitler was espousing religiously speaking.

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Old 11-28-2012, 08:19 PM
 
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There was some Norse Pagan and occult ideas and themes surrounding early Nazism however they were rejected by Hitler. Furthermore, many of those who engaged or were thought to have engaged in occult/esoteric practices to concentration camps most notably the Freemasons, though a fair amount of the organized Pagan groups in Germany were effectively banned by the 1935 Anti-Masonic laws. Nazis had version of Christianity called "positive Christianity" that focused on the belief that Jesus was Aryan and worked tirelessly in opposition to the Jews. It was essentially Christianity mixed with even more extreme anti-semitism then the Anti-Semeitism that was typical of Christianity at the time. This is essesentially what Hitler was espousing religiously speaking.
Hitler rejected Christianity with its Jewish roots and a message of love. No matter how Hitler described himself he was not a church going member of any Christian church in Germany on anywhere in the world. Nazism persecuted German clergy and clergies of any conquered nations. There was a Nazi program of taking over all Catholic monasteries.
Anyone who describes Hitler as a Christian is insane.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:23 PM
 
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Who gives a **** what his beliefs where, the man was the scum of earth... 9 million killed, in gas chambers and ovens..
enough said...................................If only our public school systems would expose the scum that he was....
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:58 PM
 
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Hitler rejected Christianity with its Jewish roots and a message of love. No matter how Hitler described himself he was not a church going member of any Christian church in Germany on anywhere in the world. Nazism persecuted German clergy and clergies of any conquered nations. There was a Nazi program of taking over all Catholic monasteries.
Anyone who describes Hitler as a Christian is insane.
Hitler certainly rejected the Jewish roots of Christianity as he cast Jesus as an Aryan fighting the Jews, but he certainly promoted the Nazi version of Christianity. Which was called "Positive Christianity." I am sorry this displeases you.

As to why Nazis killed clergy in conquered nations the main objective there was first and foremost to eliminate any educated people, particularly in Eastern Europe. The reason for this is because Nazis believed that Eastern Europeans were to be made modern day Helots.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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Default Political power and religion

One only has to look at politics in the United States to see how politicians use Christianity for their own politcal ends. They go to prayer meetings, talk about putting God back in schools, ending abortion, and many other things that appeal to religiously conservative Christians.

But if you look on the delivery of those "promises" to make a difference over the past years, you find that not only have they not done anything, with few exceptions they haven't even introduced legislation to accomplish it.

They want votes and support and, for the most part, ignore those Christians who supported them, except by going to prayer breakfasts.

It's why I discount religion entirely when deciding to cast my vote, whether Romney or O'bama or the guy running for dogcatcher.

There are still a lot of Hitlers among us who use religion to reach their own political goals. And religious authorities seem quite willing to be used, much as the Catholic Church of pre-WWII.

Incidentally, there were some terrific Christians that stood against Hitler and the Nazis. Chief among them, in my mind, was Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He paid for his opposition with his life.

Would to God there would be some modern day Christians to say "Get thee behind me, Satan" to the politicians who try to use Christianity for political ends.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:24 AM
 
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Hitler certainly rejected the Jewish roots of Christianity as he cast Jesus as an Aryan fighting the Jews, but he certainly promoted the Nazi version of Christianity. Which was called "Positive Christianity." I am sorry this displeases you.

As to why Nazis killed clergy in conquered nations the main objective there was first and foremost to eliminate any educated people, particularly in Eastern Europe. The reason for this is because Nazis believed that Eastern Europeans were to be made modern day Helots.
Say what? Lol.

The "Nazi version od Christianity" is not a part of Christianity as it rejects the Old Testament. There is no Christianity without "Jewish Jesus" and the "Nazi version of Christianity" never actually took of in Germany and Hitler never turned into a churchgoer. Try again

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Old 11-29-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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Say what? Lol.

The "Nazi version od Christianity" is not a part of Christianity as it rejects the Old Testament. There is no Christianity without "Jewish Jesus" and the "Nazi version of Christianity" never actually took of in Germany and Hitler never turned into a churchgoer. Try again
I know you don't like it, but when it comes down to it Hitler did sanction a Nazi version of Christianity.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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Hitler certainly rejected the Jewish roots of Christianity as he cast Jesus as an Aryan fighting the Jews, but he certainly promoted the Nazi version of Christianity. Which was called "Positive Christianity." I am sorry this displeases you.

As to why Nazis killed clergy in conquered nations the main objective there was first and foremost to eliminate any educated people, particularly in Eastern Europe. The reason for this is because Nazis believed that Eastern Europeans were to be made modern day Helots.
So if I take a huge dump, and call my turd a Christian turd, does that make it Christian?

Calling something by a certain name means virtually nothing.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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So if I take a huge dump, and call my turd a Christian turd, does that make it Christian?

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If you put a bow on it .....Christmas turd.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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Sorry the OP question was "Was Hitler an atheist," not "Was Hitler a Christian."
Hint; muslims are not Chrisitans for example, but that doesn't make them atheists...
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