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Old 03-22-2013, 06:14 AM
 
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Coverage by Ynet: DNA study results also backed by archaeological findings:
Debate on European Jews' origin settled? - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews
Coverage by Haaretz:
The Jewish people's ultimate treasure hunt - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Gene Study settles debate over origin of European Jews:
Agence-France Press Genes settle debate over origin of European Jews | COSMOS magazine

Mr. Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: “These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom. The Khazars were a non-Semitic, Turko-Mongolian tribe.”
New DNA Research Confirms That Modern Khazarian “Jews” Are Not the Descendants of Ancient Isrealites or The Seed of Abraham! « Socio-Economics History Blog

In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians—the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948—had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”—workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews.
The Definitive DNA Study
Now comes the ultimate, definitive DNA study, by Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Entitled, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, and published by the Oxford Journal on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, the study confirms Oppenheim’s research and the many scholarly books.

Dr. Elhaik and the prestigious Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine conclude in their report: “The Khazarian Hypothesis suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and Converted to Judaism in the eighth century...Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars.”

Related scholarly reading:

Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe
The Jewish people's ultimate treasure hunt - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Kevin Allan Brook, The Jews of Khazaria
The Jews of Khazaria: Kevin Alan Brook: 9780742549821: Amazon.com: Books

Dr. Schlomo Sand, The Invention of the Jewish People
The Invention of the Jewish People: Shlomo Sand, Yael Lotan: 9781844676231: Amazon.com: Books
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Why would anyone consider this to be important?
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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Why would anyone consider this to be important?
It's only important if one believes in an apocraphyl/literal reading of the Bible. In Revelations there are references to "false Jews" inhabiting the Holy Land. Hence, if one is inclined to believe in such things, evidence that would support that the root of most Jews in the current State of Israel are not actually related genetically to the Israelites of antiquity it would be seen as "proof" that the time of Revelations are upon us. Since the Bible in both the Old and New Testament uses a Hebrew dating/spacing system to draw parallels in the stories, if one believed that they were living in the times depicted in Revelations, they could use the founding date of the modern State of Israel (inhabited by "false" Jews) to chronologically place our times into those of Revelations and predict when the Messiah will return.

Most interpretations of the actual phrases and what they were talking about are not nearly as "fun" as the Biblical "conspiracy theories" related above. The letters were addressed to the churches in Asia Minor. At the time Revelations was written Christians in Asia Minor still worshipped in Jewish synagogues. Around the time the letters were written, the Jews tossed the Christians out of their synagogues and barred them from worshipping there. Hence, the "false Jews" are those that did not embrace Christianity and tossed the Christians out of their temples.

There was a poster here not long ago by the name of "king's highway" that had similar beliefs as what snowball7 is implying above. The only difference is that "king's highway" also professed a belief that Vladimir Putin was God's anointed King on Earth as predicted in Revelations and would rectify this whole business about "false Jews" in the Holy Land.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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Au Contraire. Apocalypse 2:9 and 3:9 are clear as day
especially when it is properly considered that the original
word is not "Jews" at all. It is "Judeans". The fact that it
is Judeans puts even more credence into the ethnic-geographical
interpretation which is obvious and correct.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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Au Contraire. Apocalypse 2:9 and 3:9 are clear as day
especially when it is properly considered that the original
word is not "Jews" at all. It is "Judeans". The fact that it
is Judeans puts even more credence into the ethnic-geographical
interpretation which is obvious and correct.
Au Contraire. "Revelations" 2:9 and 3:9 are verses in a book of philosophical fables collected over the centuries with contributions from various authors.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Hey, Snowball..

If we assume that all that you report in your OP is valid, then......what? You provide us with no conclusions about why this information is important, or what application it should have to our present day thoughts and actions.

Virtually all "Jews" are not the Seed of Abraham....................therefore? What?
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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Virtually all "Jews" are not the Seed of Abraham....................therefore? What?
well, they have no legitimate claim on the Holy Land, not having ancestries
from there going back to Biblical times, which was used as a reason for
the formation of the physical state of "Israel".
Concerning the rest, that's up to their religious beliefs, which vary among
Orthodox, Reformed, and Secular "Jewry". You should be familiar with
some of the claims, right ?
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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So what we have here is a painful demonstration of how a little "knowledge" - or a popular falsehood - or a conspiracy theory - or just a motive for pandering to the prejudices of society's losers, bullies and idiots, can sow the seed for a lot of man's inhumanity to man.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:27 PM
 
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well, they have no legitimate claim on the Holy Land, not having ancestries
from there going back to Biblical times, which was used as a reason for
the formation of the physical state of "Israel".
Concerning the rest, that's up to their religious beliefs, which vary among
Orthodox, Reformed, and Secular "Jewry". You should be familiar with
some of the claims, right ?
I have always regarded that as a religious claim only in that A) The ancient Hebrews evicted the existing occupants on the basis of asserting divine backing for the move. I am as persuaded by that argument as I am by the one which claimed that god ordained the 9/11 attacks, or god has ever wanted anything at any time for that matter. and
B) The original political state of Israel went out of business when the Romans scattered the population permanently in the second Century. That 1800 years later they maintain ownerships rights associated with that former state of affairs, is no more reasonable than the idea of restoring any other vanquished nation from the ancient past by evicting the present day occupants and installing the descendants, or supposed descendants, of the ancient occupants.

I regard not offering the Jews a homeland in New Mexico or North Dakota, or one of those states we weren't really using, as a calamitous decision. Trying to install them where they would be surrounded by Islam was a prime magnitude mistake and the world has been paying for it ever since.

So there were already excellent reasons for opposition to the idea of the Jewish State having to be planted in Palestine. This lineage business strikes me as very much subordinate to those other reasons.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:09 AM
 
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Palestine Before 1947 By Refaat M. Loubani, 664
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