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Old 06-04-2013, 12:38 AM
 
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Ironically, the tradition of portraying the Mongols and the Tatars in such a strange form of European kept on and on. And XVII, and XVIII, and XIX centuries, Europeans have persevered portray "Tatars" of Tartary with all the signs of people the White Race. Look, for example, as portrayed "Tatars" and "Mongols" French cartographer and engineer Male (Allain Manesson Mallet) (1630-1706), whose drawings were printed in Frankfurt in 1719. Or an engraving in 1700, depicting the Tartar Tartar princess and prince.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:45 AM
 
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Let's see some more of engravings depicting various tartare, who lived on the territory of Great Tartary from the book of a German professor of the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences of Johann Gottlieb Georgi (Johann Gottlieb Georgi 1729-1802) «Russian or a full historical report of all the peoples living in the Empire" (Russia or a compleat historical account of all the nations which compose that Empire) London, 1780. There, you will sketch the costumes Tartar women from Tomsk, Kuznetsk and Achinsk.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:52 AM
 
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As we now know, except for Great Tartary, which according to the testimony of Western cartographers occupied Western and Eastern Siberia and the Far East, in Asia there were a few more of Tartarus: Chinese Tartary (not China), Independent Tartary (modern Central Asia), Tibetan Tartary ( Modern Tibet), the Uzbek Tartary and Tartary Mogul (Mughal Empire). The evidence of the representatives of Tartarus is also preserved in the historical European documents.
Some names of people we have known. For example, who is such tartars Taguris or tartars Kohonor? Unravel the mystery of the name of the first tartar helped us aforementioned "collection of travel" Antoine Prevost. It turned out to Turkestan Tartarus. Presumably the second tartar helped identify place names. In the west central part of China is located in Qinghai Province (Qinhai), bordering Tibet. This province is rich of inland lakes, the largest of which is called Qinghai (Blue Sea), which gave its name to the province. However, we are interested in another name of this lake - Qinghai Lake (Kuku Nor or Koko Nor). The Chinese took over the province in Tibet in 1724. So kohonorskie tartars may well be Tibetan Tartars.

It is not clear to us, and who was such Tartares de Naun Koton ou Tsitsikar. It turned out that the city of Qiqihar still exists today, and is now located in the territory of China to the north-west of Harbin, which, as is known, was founded by Russian. About the same reason Qiqihar traditional history tells us that it was founded by the Mongols. However, it is unclear just where it could take tartars? This again suggests that the Tartars are Slavs
 
Old 06-04-2013, 01:00 AM
 
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Take a good look at the clothes Mughal rulers, one can not ignore the striking similarity to the ceremonial robes of the Russian tsars and boyars, and the appearance of themselves Mogul has all the hallmarks of the White Race. Note also the 4th picture. It depicts Shah Jahan I (Shah Jahan) (1592-1666) - the ruler of the Mughal Empire from 1627 to 1658 years. The man who built the famous Taj Mahal. Text in French under the engraving reads: Le Grand Mogol. Le Impereur d'Indostan, which means the Great Mogul - Emperor of Hindustan. As you can see, the exterior of the Shah's absolutely nothing Mongolian not.

By the way, the ancestor of Babur, the founder of the Mughal Empire is a great fighter and an outstanding leader Tamerlane (1336-1405). Now, let's look at his picture. The engraving says: Tamerlan, empereur des Tartares - Tamerlane - Tartar emperor, and in the book «Histoire de Timur-Bec, connu sous le nom du grand Tamerlan, empereur des Mogols & Tartares», written by Sharaf al-Din Ali Yazdi in 1454 and published in Paris in 1722, he, as we see, is named Mughal emperors and tartar.
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:06 AM
 
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The text of Tartary common name Tamerlane, who is called great. Here are a few prints with his image. Interestingly, his name is pronounced the Europeans in many ways: Temur, Taimur, Timur Lenk, Timur i Leng, Tamerlane, Tamburlaine, or Taimur e Lang.
As we know from the course of the orthodox stories, Tamerlane (1336-1406) - "Central Asian conqueror, who played a significant role in the history of Central, South and West Asia, and the Caucasus, the Volga region and Russia. Outstanding leader, the Emir (from 1370). The founder of the Timurid Empire and Dynasty, with its capital at Samarkand. "

Like Genghis Khan, today it is commonly portray Mongoloids. As you can see from the photos of the original medieval European engravings, Tamerlane was not the way it was painted orthodox historians. Engravings proving the absolute fallacy of this approach ...
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:11 AM
 
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Tartary in the "World History" Dionysius Petavius

Tartarus is also described and the founder of modern history, and in fact falsification of the world history, Dionysius Petavius ​​(1583-1652) - French cardinal, a Jesuit, a Catholic theologian and historian. In his geographical description of the world to "World History» (The History of the World: Or, an Account of Time, Together With a Geographicall Description of Europe, Asia, Africa, and America), published in 1659, of Tartary
I will give just the beginning -
Tartarus (in ancient times known as Scythia, after their first ruler of the Scythians, who first called Magogus (from Magog, son of Japheth), and whose descendants settled in this country) is called by their inhabitants mongulami Tartary on behalf of the Tartar River, which washes its most . This is a huge empire (the incomparable largest with any country, other than the King of Spain's overseas possessions, which it is also superior and has connections between them, while in the latter they are very sparse), which extends to 5400 miles from east to west, and 3,600 miles from north to south, so its Great Khan, or Emperor has many kingdoms and provinces, containing a great many nice towns.

In the east it borders with China, or East Sea of ​​Sin Ocean and the Strait of Aniane. In the west - the mountains Imaus (Himalayan range), although there Tartar hordes, who recognize the authority of Khan, on the other side of them in the south - and the Ganges river Oxus (Oxus), which we now call Abia (sovr. Amu Darya) Hindustan and the top part of China, or, as some say, to the mountain .... , The Caspian Sea and the Chinese wall. On the north - with the Scythian or jelly, the ocean, the coast is so cold that no one lives there. In addition there is the rich and the great kingdom of Cathay (Cathai), centered on the town of Flounder (Cambalu or Cunbula), extending for 24 miles along the river Italian Polisangi (Polisangi). There is also the kingdom of Tangut (Tangut), Tenduk (Tenduc), Kamuli (Camul), Tainfur (Tainfur) and Tibet (Thebet), as well as the city and province Kind (Caindo). However, the general opinion today Tartary is divided into five provinces.
As everyone knows who interisovalsya history of the Scythians is Slavs as well as Amazon and other .
 
Old 06-04-2013, 02:31 AM
 
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Here are pictures of other tartare and we see how different Western authors portrayed representatives Little Tartary - Zaporizhzhya Sich, and Nogai, Cherkasy, Kalmyk and Kazan Tartar.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:39 AM
 
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As we have already managed to make even a small part of this review, credible evidence of a huge Slavic-Aryan Empire, the last name of which is known as the Great Tartary, and that at different times, also called the Great Scythia and Asia, are present exactly. In the old days it took almost the entire continent of Eurasia and North Africa and even America, but then, like shagreen leather shrank. Rather, it squeezed, gradually biting into the most remote in Europe - the western provinces, and this process continues to this day.

Hundreds of Western European maps and atlases XVI-XVII centuries by various authors and publishers, which can be easily found on the Internet, showed that the Great Tartary occupied most of Asia - from the Urals to Kamchatka, Central Asia and the northern part of modern China to the Chinese Wall. Around the end of the beginning of the XVII century XVIII appeared on maps different Tartary - Great, Moscow (to the Urals), Chinese (which at one time was part of the island of Hokkaido), the Independent (Central Asia) and Small (Zaporozhye). Tartary and displayed on a globe of the time, in particular, those are in the Moscow State Historical Museum (GIM). There are several medieval globes. It is, first of all, a giant copper globe, made in 1672 the heirs of the Amsterdam cartographer Willem Blaeu for the Swedish King Karl XI, and the globe terrestrial and celestial spheres N. Hill 1754 from papier-mache. And Tartary applied to the Globe in 1765, which is in the collection of the Historical Society in Minnesota.
Around the end of the 18th century, after the Great Tartary was defeated in World War I, known to us from the course of school history as the "Pugachev's Rebellion" of 1773-1775., Is the name on the card was gradually replaced by the Russian Empire, but independent and Chinese Tartary still appear until the beginning of XIX century. After this time, the word disappears from Tartary cards in general, and replaced by other names. For example, China Tartarus was called Manchuria. All of the above applies to foreign cards. At the same Russian language card with Tartary generally remained insignificant amount, at least, in the public domain. For example, there is a map of 1707 W. Kiprianova "Image Globe Earth" and a map of Asia in 1745. This situation suggests that the information about the Great Empire Russov thoroughly destroyed.

However, something still remains, and finally came to the masses. One of the most important works are books and maps of the outstanding Russian cartographer and chronicler of Siberia Remezov.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 05:59 PM
 
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The fact that the Europeans were very well aware of the existence of different Tartarus, evidenced by numerous medieval maps. One of the first of these cards is a map of Russia, Muscovy and Tartary, made English diplomat Anthony Jenkinson (Anthony Jenkinson), which was the first plenipotentiary of England in Muscovy from 1557 to 1571, and part-time representative of the Moscow (Muscovy Company) - English Trading company based in London merchants in 1555 Jenkinson was the first Western European travelers, who described the coast of the Caspian Sea and Central Asia during his expedition to Bukhara in 1558-1560 gg. The result of these observations have not only become the official reports, but also on the most detailed maps of the area that moment, almost inaccessible to the point for the Europeans.

Tartary there in a respectable World Atlas Mercator-Hondius beginning of the XVII century. Yodokus Hondius (Jodocus Hondius, 1563-1612) - Flemish engraver, cartographer and publisher of maps and atlases in 1604 bought the plates of the World Atlas Mercator added to the atlas about forty own cards and expanded edition published in 1606 under the authorship of Mercator and Telling yourself as a publisher.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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Abraham Ortelius (Abraham Ortelius, 1527-1598) - Flemish cartographer, was the world's first atlas, consisting of 53 large-format maps with detailed explanatory geographical texts, which was printed in Antwerp, 20 May 1570 has been named Atlas Theatrum Orbis Terrarum (Lat. sight terrestrial globe) and reflected the state of geographical knowledge at that time.
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