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Old 06-04-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Tartary is also on the Dutch map of Asia in 1595, and on the map 1626 John Speed ​​(John Speed, 1552-1629) British historian and cartographer who published the world's first British Cartographic Atlas of the World "Review of the most famous places in the world (A Prospect of the Most Famous Parts of the World). Please note that on many maps clearly visible Wall of China, and China is actually behind it, and before it settled the territory of China Tartary (Shinese Tartary).
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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Let's see some more foreign cards. Dutch map of Great Tartary, the Great Mughal Empire, Japan and China (Magnae Tartariae, Magni Mogolis Imperii, Iaponiae et Chinae, Nova Descriptio (Amsterdam, 1680)) by Frederick de Wit (Frederik de Wit), a Dutch map of Peter Schenk (Pieter Schenk).
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:19 PM
 
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French map of Asia in 1692 and a map of Asia and Scythia (Scythia et Tartaria Asiatica) in 1697.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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Map Tartary Guillaume de Lisle (1688-1768), a French astronomer and cartographer, a member of the Paris Academy of Sciences (1702). He also issued a worldwide atlas (1700-1714). In 1725-47 he worked in Russia, was the first director of academic and academic Astronomical Observatory from 1747 - a foreign honorary member of the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:42 PM
 
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Tartary in the "Atlas of Asia" Nicolas Sanson 1653

Information of Great Tartary can also be found in Nicolas Sanson (Nicolas Sanson) (1600-1667) - French historian and cartographer of the court of Louis XIII. In 1653 was published in Paris his atlas of Asia - L'Asie, En Plusieurs Cartes Nouvelles, Et Exactes, & c.: En Divers Traitez De Geographie, Et D'Histoire; La ou sont descrits succinctement, & avec une belle Methode, & facile, Ses Empires, Ses Monarchies, Ses Estats & c.

The atlas contains maps and descriptions of the Asian continent as much detail as possible to the availability of information about the realities of a country and its absence made it possible for all sorts of assumptions, often did not have anything to do with the present state of affairs, which is observed in the description of Tartary (take at least one of the ridiculous stories about the origin of the tartar from the ten lost tribes of Israel.) Thus, the author, like many European medieval historians before and after him, involuntarily, and probably intentionally made a contribution to the falsification of history and world history, and the history of our country.

For this purpose, seemingly insignificant and harmless things. 'Lost' by only one letter in the name of the country, and the gods of the land of Tartary Tarkh and Tara turned into a form, no previously unknown Tartary. Added one letter to the name of the people, and the Mughals became the Mongols. Other historians have gone further, and the Mughals (from the Greek. Μεγλoι (megloi) - great) became mongulov, mongalov, Mungai, Mughal, Monk, etc. This kind of "change", as you can imagine, provide scope for all kinds of falsifications that have very far-reaching consequences.

Take the example of a relatively recent times. In February 1936 Resolution of the Central Executive Committee and the CPC Kazakhs SSR "On the Russian pronunciation and writing the designation of the word" Cossack "" has been ordered to replace the last letter "K" to "X", and from now on to write "Kazakh" and not a "Cossack", "Kazakhstan "instead of" Kazakhstan ", and that the composition of the newly formed Kazakhstan entered the land of Siberia, Orenburg and Ural Cossacks.

How is that changing one letter affected the lives of the past, do not need to talk a lot. As a result, the national anti-human policies of the Kazakh authorities launched after the victory of democracy in the 90's, the representatives of "non-titular" Russian nation squeezed from all walks of life and are forced to leave their ancestral lands. Kazakhstan has already left 3.5 million people, representing 25% of the total population. In 2000 he left the country has 600,000 people. Deteriorated socio-economic situation of Russian, unemployment is rising, closing Russian schools and cultural institutions in Kazakh schools falsified history of Russia. That's what it takes to change just one letter in the name.

After all this it becomes clear why the strait between Sakhalin called Tatar (But even in the Soviet Union, he had the name of Tartar) Everyone knows that the Tatars there nebilo nor when and in Kamchatka.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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In western instruments direct indication of the fact that the Tatars are called RUSSIAN. For example: "The document Roussillon often mentioned" white Tatars, "along with the" yellow. " The names of the "white Tatars" - Lucius, Martha, Mary, Catherine, etc. - talk about their Russian origin "

It appears, then, that even before the conquest of Russia "in the Mongolian squad was already in some of the ruses with their leader Plaskiney"

"Rashid al-Din says adding to Khan's army Tokta" RUSSIAN troops, Circassian, Kipchak, madzharskih and others ... "At the same author says that it RUSSIAN rider from the army in 1300 Tokta wounded in battle Nogaja ... Narrating the Uzbeks and the capital of his barn, Arabic writer al-Omari said, "at the sultans of the State ratification of the Circassians, and RUSSIAN jars'"

It is known that TATAR PARTICIPATED IN THE ARMY RUSSIAN PRINCE OF TROOPS! "A. Nasonov believed that in the early years of the Mongol-Tatar yoke Daruga recruited in Russia ... Russian troops out of the population in the former: the disposal baskak "
We note a clear sound similarity: Daruga - friends, vigilantes. And it was the warriors were called in Russia choicest warriors prince. They, of course, and instructed to recruit new soldiers in the prince's retinue. It does not have a Mongol "Daruga" simply Russian warriors, warriors of the prince's retinue?

Historians believe that the involvement of Russian troops in the Tatar was forced. But they have to recognize that, "probably too late to stop the forced participation in the Tatar army of Russian soldiers. Were mercenaries who have volunteered to join in the Tatar troops "

Ibn Battuta wrote: "The Barn Burke had many Russian" Moreover, "The bulk of the armed forces serving and working the Golden Horde were Russian people"
Let us dwell for a moment and imagine the absurdity of this situation. Winners of the Mongols conquered some reason transferring weapons to them, "Russian slaves," and those being armed to the teeth, quietly serve in the military conquerors, making it "the bulk". Recall again that the Russian supposedly had just been defeated in an open and armed struggle. Even in the history of Ancient Rome Scaliger never armed the newly conquered slaves. Throughout history, the winners were selected from the defeated weapon, and if they then took to the service, those were considered significant minority and certainly unreliable.

And what do we read about the armies of Batu? We quote: "On the armies of Batu Hungarian king left a note and a letter to the Pope ..." When, - said the king - the state of Hungary from the Mongol invasion, like the plague, for the most part was drawn to the desert, and as a sheepfold was surrounded by various tribes infidels, namely, Russian, roamer from the east, Bulgaria and other heretics from the South ""

We define a simple question: where is the Mongols? Mention Russian, roamer, Bulgarians, that is, the Slavic tribes. Translating the word "Mongol" from the letter of the king, we get simply that "the great invaded (" MEGALION ") peoples," namely, Russian, roamer from the east, Bulgarians, etc. Therefore, our recommendation is useful whenever replacing the word "Mongol = MEGALION "a translation of" great ". Then get quite intelligent text for understanding which does not need to attract some people from the distant borders of China. On China, by the way, in all of these dispatches is not a word

"In the west side of the needed protection boundaries (Mongolia) against Poland, Lithuania and Hungary. To monitor and protect the borders in this way Batu through the right bank of the Dnieper River was formed a military settlement of the population, derived from the Russian principalities ... The settlement is tucked in the west area of ​​the entire Horde. To the side of the neighboring Supreme Khan of the Mongol ulus and Central Asian military settlements were established along the line Yaik and Terek rivers ... In a frontier settlement on the lines of Russian Terek included peoples from the Northern Caucasus, Pyatigorsk Circassians, Alans ... The most ... needed a strong defense to the West from the flow Don and north-western borders of Russian principalities, the so-called Chervonogo Yar ... This area ... and served as a settlement for one of the large groups of Russian, derived from their homeland, the people ... From the center of the Golden Horde - Barn - on all sides, thousands of miles have been set zip line. For all the lines have been installed in 25 miles of the Pit ... All the rivers were installed and ferry boat crossing, which also services produced by the Russian people ... The Mongols HAD ITS historian "From the word" Pit "is the word driver. Yamskaya messaging system remained in Russia until the end of the XIX century and was replaced by only the construction of railways.

We can see how it was organized by the Mongolian State - The Golden Horde. Everywhere - Russian. The troops, in the vital knots
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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"Tartary" was nothing more than a catch-all term that Europeans applied to the Asian Steppes and the territory once part of the Mongol Empire. The region was dominated by Mongols, Turkics and some Cossacks. Some map makers went further and subdivided "Tartary" into different areas, one of which was referred to as "Russian/Muscovite Tartary". There was never a united political unit, nation or empire known as "Tartary". It's like referring to the western hemisphere in a general sense as the "Americas" and then claiming that everyone who lived there and everything that happened there was part of some large "American Empire" while completely ignoring the actual disparate groups and societies.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:48 PM
 
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"Tartary" was nothing more than a catch-all term that Europeans applied to the Asian Steppes and the territory once part of the Mongol Empire. The region was dominated by Mongols, Turkics and some Cossacks. Some map makers went further and subdivided "Tartary" into different areas, one of which was referred to as "Russian/Muscovite Tartary". There was never a united political unit, nation or empire known as "Tartary". It's like referring to the western hemisphere in a general sense as the "Americas" and then claiming that everyone who lived there and everything that happened there was part of some large "American Empire" while completely ignoring the actual disparate groups and societies.
Have you read the post above? Probably not. It was a Slav - Aryan empire without a central authority.It is natural as it is today, and included other people. You read on carefully! And look what's card. At this time, this place was the Russian Empire. Just look at the look of the Mongols and they all Russian national clothes and weapons. Neither of which the Mongolian. Mongolia is situated at the site of Pakistan at the time.
All description of western and Russian witnesses only see Slavs. So what happened to the Tatars and Mongols? Why is the border after the beginning of the Mongol yoke remained prezhnemi Why barbarians built Russian Orthodox Church all over? Why are most of all ruling vlas still was Russian? 200 years later after the yoke all the Europeans call the Russian Empire, Tartary, as before, how do you explain that? If you read everything carefully, then the question will be. All the records do not indicate the existence of the Mongol yoke. It was not when. This research isledovanie recognized today by many historians.
Now explain the reason why these maps are no Russian Empire? She vanished? lol. Or formed in the 20th century? Open your eyes wideness. Another question - Where did the Mongols - the Tatars? (They appeared only in the 19th century) Before that, they were not mentioned in more than one record. Why there is no word in Russian chronicles, - that they were captured by any Horde? All they write how there life. All sources, most of the troops were hordes of Russian and held leadership positions and were armed. And if the positions were held by the Mongols they had Russian names. Russian worn clothing and weapons. The most interesting - that the border principalities and power centers did not change after the seizure of the horde. It's ironic is not it?

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Old 06-11-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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When medieval Western Europeans talked about Russia, they sometimes wrote as follows: "So and so Moscow Tsar MADE Tatars in such a military campaign."

For example, a quote from the book of S. Gerberstein XVI century: "In 1527, they (ie the Muscovites were again made by the Tartars (?) (Mit den Tartaren angezogen), resulting in the famous battle of Kanev (?) (Bey Carionen ) Lithuania "Question marks are placed modern commentators, who, of course, it's not very pleasant.

Another example of a similar nature. In medieval German chronological table, published in Brunswick in 1725 (Deutsche Chronologische Tabellen. Braunschweig, Berleget von Friedrich Wilhelm Mener, 1725), Ivan the Terrible says the following:

Lohannes Basilowiz, Erzersiel MIT DENEN TARTARN, und brachte an sein Reich Casan und Astracan (hron. Tab. On 1533. Ie: "Ivan WITH THEIR Tatara took to his kingdom Kazan and Astrakhan."

Modern commentators confuse this strange custom of Moscow's rulers do not go to war with the army, and with some mysterious Tatars.

And I say to this: the Tatars and were Cossack army, that is, the Cossack horde Ratiu Moscow tsars. And everything falls into place.

We draw attention to an interesting book called "Polish-Lithuanian Tatars. (Heirs of the Golden Horde). " The book contains interesting information about the wide participation of the Tatars in the life of Poland and Lithuania, not only in the XVI, but also in the XVII-XIX centuries. It is interesting that "in the beginning of the XIX century, one of the eminent Polish historian Tadeusz Chatsky found in the archives of a petition in which the Polish-Lithuanian Tatars called representatives of the Jagiellonian dynasty" white hanami "" And further: "Until the middle of the XIX century Tatar population on the Polish and Lithuanian lands divided into three categories ... The first group, the most preferred, were descendants of the Golden Horde sultans and MPD. The title of Sultan belonged to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to only two genera Tatar: Ostrynskim and Punskim. Senior members of the genus are constantly called princes, as the descendants of the Khans ruling. The rest of the Tatar Horde be born from MPD. They owned the title of prince. At the head of the prince of the Tatar birth standing up Assanchukovichi, Bargynskie, Yushynskie, Kadyshevich, Korytskie, Krychinskie, Lostaiskie, Lovchitskie, Smolski Shirinskaya Talkovskie, Tarashviskie, Lancers and Zavitskie ... they enjoy the right of the ruling gentry "

The question is, what language they speak Polish and Lithuanian Tatars? It turns out that "Tatars among Christians lived peacefully. TALKED TO RUSSIAN OR Polish, dressed as the local population. Often intermarried with Christians "And further:" Mosques with gold, tin crescents were common in the life of the eastern regions of Poland ... Some of them remind their views of the Catholic church of the OR ORTHODOX CHURCH "" By engaging and long-forgotten traditions also include decoration of mosques Tatar regimental banners ... The source of religious knowledge Tatars was their written language, which is preserved in the form of handwritten Kitab and hamailey (shamail) ... Kitab Arabic letters to write, but the texts were Polish OR of the Belarusian "" After the fall of the Romanov dynasty in Petrograd there is the "Committee of the Tatars of Poland, Lithuania , Belarus and. Ukraine '"
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:09 PM
 
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"Tartary" was nothing more than a catch-all term that Europeans applied to the Asian Steppes and the territory once part of the Mongol Empire. The region was dominated by Mongols, Turkics and some Cossacks. Some map makers went further and subdivided "Tartary" into different areas, one of which was referred to as "Russian/Muscovite Tartary". There was never a united political unit, nation or empire known as "Tartary". It's like referring to the western hemisphere in a general sense as the "Americas" and then claiming that everyone who lived there and everything that happened there was part of some large "American Empire" while completely ignoring the actual disparate groups and societies.
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What he said, GreyKarast.

What you are talking about though, ( since as usual I understand only half of it ) is most likely described in Russian Wikipedia as "pseudoscience."

Тартария — Википедия

( Your maps are there as well I think...)
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