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Old 06-24-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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Was there such a thing as Palestinian nationalism prior to the rise of Yassir Arafat?
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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Of course there was. I recommend One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate by Segev.
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Palestinian "nationalism" has existed since the defeat and dismantling of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of the British mandate. The first "nationalist" organization was the Higher Arab Committee, later the Arab League, founded by Hajj Amin al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1936 following the "Arab Revolt of 1936-39" which began as a general strike by Palestinian Arab workers.

The Palestine Liberation Organization was formed in 1964 under the leadership of Ahmad Shukeiri and even then was an umbrella organization uniting the various Palestinian factions and organizations. It would not be until 1966 that Arafat and others would form Fatah, some thirty years into Palestinian demands for independence.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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At one time, Jews were included among the Palestinians.
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Old 06-25-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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The first "nationalist" organization was the Higher Arab Committee, later the Arab League, founded by Hajj Amin al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1936 following the "Arab Revolt of 1936-39" which began as a general strike by Palestinian Arab workers.
You are referring of course to the Arab pro-Nazi leader who formed an alliance with Adolf Hitler and started the wholesale massacring of Jews, desecrating Jewish holy places and synagogues and stealing all their property.

... And people wonder why there is still bitterness and anger on both sides of the Arab/Israeli conflict.

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Old 06-25-2013, 07:57 PM
 
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It dates to about the 19th Century, but it didn't become big until the waning days of the Ottoman Empire. That's not to say there wasn't affinity for the region, but nationalism as a concept had developed strongly.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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It dates to about the 19th Century, but it didn't become big until the waning days of the Ottoman Empire.
It being Arab nationalism? That's about right.
Palestinian as a separate national identity? Sorry, not for almost another century.
And then it was about the (opposition to zionism) politics... not any sort of tribal or even filial ties.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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It being Arab nationalism? That's about right.
Palestinian as a separate national identity? Sorry, not for almost another century.
And then it was about the (opposition to zionism) politics... not any sort of tribal or even filial ties.
It being nationalism in Palestine. Palestinian nationalism arose in reaction to Zionism (which is not the same thing as opposition to Zionism). There was opposition to be sure, but there was also a counter movement inspired by Zionism.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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[quote=pgm123;30201856]It being nationalism in Palestine. Palestinian nationalism arose in reaction to Zionism.

I would suggest that Zionism didn't play a prominent place in the origins Arab nationalism in general or Palestinian Arabs in particular because the desire to be free first from the of the Turks and then following their betrayal at the end of the first world war, the British. In neither case did the Jews represent a major issue in their struggle for Arab independence.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:44 PM
 
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...because the desire to be free first from the of the Turks...
Care to expand on this assertion?

The context was a Palestinian national or political identity **prior** to modern Zionism.
To the degree they had such, and right up to WW1, it was about a role WITHIN the Ottoman empire.

After the war (to the degree they had such) it was completely entwined with anti-zionism...

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resistance to Ottoman rule came after the Ottomans entered the War on the side of the Central Powers. LINK
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