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Old 01-28-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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The Nazis were very much SOCIALISTS. READ HITLER'S BOOK if you doubt it! Throughout Mein Kampf, it's very plain that Hitler sought the ultimate Socialist society. His government was very controlling of business and industry and it created the ultimate in government regulation of all aspects of German society. Capitalism was the antithesis of National Socialist Germany. Many of the top Nazis believed in complete government takeover of ALL business, industry and manufacturing. Hitler was VERY PRO-UNION and unionized the public sector, for the first time in German history.

It's a myth, created by Liberal Socialists in our country, that the Nazis were "conservatives." Conservatives stand for free markets, free capital, and overall freedom for our citizens. The Nazis most certainly were no freedom loving conservatives. They were on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum. The Nazis were complete control freaks, just like Liberal Socialists are today.

During the 1930's, when National Socialism was being instituted in Germany, it was VERY POPULAR with American Liberals. Read TIME Magazine, Better Homes and Gardens even during the early Nazi period. You'll find that American Liberal writers and thinkers very much supported Hitler's concept of the New Order in Germany. They liked the public works projects that the Nazis initiated, such as the Autobahn and others. It was Nazi ideas that spawned our own Works Progress Administration (WPA) our Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) along Nazi lines. Even Hitler's removal of the Gold Standard in German was an idea adopted by the Roosevelt Administration.

Liberals ONLY turned on the Nazis when Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. Prior to that, Liberals in our country pretty much looked the other way regarding the persecution of the Jews (hated by all Socialists in any nation) and the excesses against Poland. But once Hitler attacked the NUMBER ONE LIBERAL ICON, the Soviet Union, Liberals flocked to denounce the Nazis and supported our war effort to eliminate the Nazi menace from the face of the earth.

So YES Virginia, National Socialism really IS SOCIALISM. It is a variation of Socialism as they all vary somewhat. Marxist Socialism (Communism) Maoist Socialism, Facist Socialism, Liberal Socialism and National Socialism all share the same underpinings and are ALL inherantly anti-Semitic. Even the current Liberal Socialist government in Washington today, shares many Nazi precepts and ideals. These are core values in any and all Socialist theory, whether Liberal Socialist or National Socialist.
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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Never forget - the Nazis were socialists.
Originally they were and even had a Peoples Army Militia the SA.
In 1933 the Army and Krupp Thyssen represented by Prescott Bush, offered Hitler a deal. If he sold out the Socialists and destroyd the SA they would provide him the extra delegates he needed to become Chancellor. Thus Hitler and the Nazis became Corporate Fascists with the help of the Grandpa Bush and the Socialists were either shot or sent to concentration camps. Here in Arizona they are Republicans

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Old 01-28-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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The Nazis were very much SOCIALISTS. READ HITLER'S BOOK if you doubt it! Throughout Mein Kampf, it's very plain that Hitler sought the ultimate Socialist society. His government was very controlling of business and industry and it created the ultimate in government regulation of all aspects of German society. Capitalism was the antithesis of National Socialist Germany. Many of the top Nazis believed in complete government takeover of ALL business, industry and manufacturing. Hitler was VERY PRO-UNION and unionized the public sector, for the first time in German history.

It's a myth, created by Liberal Socialists in our country, that the Nazis were "conservatives." Conservatives stand for free markets, free capital, and overall freedom for our citizens. The Nazis most certainly were no freedom loving conservatives. They were on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum. The Nazis were complete control freaks, just like Liberal Socialists are today.
Well since the "free markets," "free capital" and "overall freedom" in financial respect can easily work against national interests ( Wal-Mart Inc, anyone?) I can see how Nazis could easily be socialists, because they were all about national interests of Germany, and that would imply the control of state over "free capital" that could have been moved to off shore accounts, in China - whatever))))
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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The Nazis were very much SOCIALISTS. READ HITLER'S BOOK if you doubt it! Throughout Mein Kampf, it's very plain that Hitler sought the ultimate Socialist society. His government was very controlling of business and industry and it created the ultimate in government regulation of all aspects of German society. Capitalism was the antithesis of National Socialist Germany. Many of the top Nazis believed in complete government takeover of ALL business, industry and manufacturing. Hitler was VERY PRO-UNION and unionized the public sector, for the first time in German history.

It's a myth, created by Liberal Socialists in our country, that the Nazis were "conservatives." Conservatives stand for free markets, free capital, and overall freedom for our citizens. The Nazis most certainly were no freedom loving conservatives. They were on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum. The Nazis were complete control freaks, just like Liberal Socialists are today.

During the 1930's, when National Socialism was being instituted in Germany, it was VERY POPULAR with American Liberals. Read TIME Magazine, Better Homes and Gardens even during the early Nazi period. You'll find that American Liberal writers and thinkers very much supported Hitler's concept of the New Order in Germany. They liked the public works projects that the Nazis initiated, such as the Autobahn and others. It was Nazi ideas that spawned our own Works Progress Administration (WPA) our Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) along Nazi lines. Even Hitler's removal of the Gold Standard in German was an idea adopted by the Roosevelt Administration.

Liberals ONLY turned on the Nazis when Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. Prior to that, Liberals in our country pretty much looked the other way regarding the persecution of the Jews (hated by all Socialists in any nation) and the excesses against Poland. But once Hitler attacked the NUMBER ONE LIBERAL ICON, the Soviet Union, Liberals flocked to denounce the Nazis and supported our war effort to eliminate the Nazi menace from the face of the earth.

So YES Virginia, National Socialism really IS SOCIALISM. It is a variation of Socialism as they all vary somewhat. Marxist Socialism (Communism) Maoist Socialism, Facist Socialism, Liberal Socialism and National Socialism all share the same underpinings and are ALL inherantly anti-Semitic. Even the current Liberal Socialist government in Washington today, shares many Nazi precepts and ideals. These are core values in any and all Socialist theory, whether Liberal Socialist or National Socialist.
There are so many things wrong with this I don't even no where to begin. First off the Nazis engaged in crony capitialism not socialism. Secondly organized labor was stamped out as the trade unionists were all imprisoned. The Nazis were very much conservatives. Conservatism comes from the root word conserve. It does not mean free markets free free capital and individual freedom. That is classical liberalism. Conservatives look to history, tradition and religion for guidence. Thus why almost all European Monarchies pre 1900 were considered conservative, the Saudi Monarchy is considered conservative, and the Iranian theocracy is considered conservative. Hitler was conservative in that he wanted to bring Germany back to an idealized Nordic past.

During the 1930s Germany was very popular with conservatives as well. The really liked the idea of a Nazi bulwork against Boshavism in the East. If you listen to anything Hitler said he was no lover of Communism and most conservatives liked that because they felt he would stop the red tide from reaching Western Europe.

Nazism is totalitarian and right wing anyone who graduated high school should tell you that. As to the liberal socialism being anti-semetic I think you really should study up on that considering many of the influential early socialists were in fact Jewish and Israel was founded in large part as an experiment, and an extremely successful one, in Jewish socialism. That is why so many early Jewish settlements in Galilee were build on the Kibbutz model and the Mapai party ran the country for 20 years after independence (if you have any doubt they were socialist look no further then the party emblem).
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:31 PM
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Socialism is just government ownership of the means of production. So the public education system, for example, is 'socialist.' The product is education and the means of production is the school system, which is gov't-owned. So the Nazis had elements of socialism, like most gov'ts, but not full-blown socialism.

A more useful way to label the spectrum is collectivism vs. individualism. In that regard the Nazis and fascists were collectivists and thus on the left side of the spectrum.
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:21 PM
 
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Liberals ONLY turned on the Nazis when Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. Prior to that, Liberals in our country pretty much looked the other way regarding the persecution of the Jews (hated by all Socialists in any nation) and the excesses against Poland. But once Hitler attacked the NUMBER ONE LIBERAL ICON, the Soviet Union, Liberals flocked to denounce the Nazis and supported our war effort to eliminate the Nazi menace from the face of the earth.
That's a crock of ----... It wasn't liberals who were the biggest supporters of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, it was American big business figures like John Rockefeller and Henry Ford(or the Bush family). American liberals already took sides in supporting the anti-fascist and left-wing loyalists fighting against the Nazi-supported Franco during the Spanish Civil War in the mid-1930s, a couple years before World War II erupted.

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Old 01-28-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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The Nazis were very much SOCIALISTS. READ HITLER'S BOOK if you doubt it! Throughout Mein Kampf, it's very plain that Hitler sought the ultimate Socialist society. His government was very controlling of business and industry and it created the ultimate in government regulation of all aspects of German society. Capitalism was the antithesis of National Socialist Germany. Many of the top Nazis believed in complete government takeover of ALL business, industry and manufacturing. Hitler was VERY PRO-UNION and unionized the public sector, for the first time in German history.

It's a myth, created by Liberal Socialists in our country, that the Nazis were "conservatives." Conservatives stand for free markets, free capital, and overall freedom for our citizens. The Nazis most certainly were no freedom loving conservatives. They were on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum. The Nazis were complete control freaks, just like Liberal Socialists are today.

During the 1930's, when National Socialism was being instituted in Germany, it was VERY POPULAR with American Liberals. Read TIME Magazine, Better Homes and Gardens even during the early Nazi period. You'll find that American Liberal writers and thinkers very much supported Hitler's concept of the New Order in Germany. They liked the public works projects that the Nazis initiated, such as the Autobahn and others. It was Nazi ideas that spawned our own Works Progress Administration (WPA) our Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) along Nazi lines. Even Hitler's removal of the Gold Standard in German was an idea adopted by the Roosevelt Administration.

Liberals ONLY turned on the Nazis when Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. Prior to that, Liberals in our country pretty much looked the other way regarding the persecution of the Jews (hated by all Socialists in any nation) and the excesses against Poland. But once Hitler attacked the NUMBER ONE LIBERAL ICON, the Soviet Union, Liberals flocked to denounce the Nazis and supported our war effort to eliminate the Nazi menace from the face of the earth.

So YES Virginia, National Socialism really IS SOCIALISM. It is a variation of Socialism as they all vary somewhat. Marxist Socialism (Communism) Maoist Socialism, Facist Socialism, Liberal Socialism and National Socialism all share the same underpinings and are ALL inherantly anti-Semitic. Even the current Liberal Socialist government in Washington today, shares many Nazi precepts and ideals. These are core values in any and all Socialist theory, whether Liberal Socialist or National Socialist.
Mein Kampf was written before Hitler sold out to the extreme right wing corporate fascists like Krupp, Thyssen, I.G. Farben and Prescott Bush. Read up on the "Night of the Long Knives"
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:19 PM
 
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The Nazis were very much SOCIALISTS. READ HITLER'S BOOK if you doubt it! Throughout Mein Kampf, it's very plain that Hitler sought the ultimate Socialist society.
I must admit, I've never actually read Mein Kampf. But then, it's my understanding that very few people have actually have read the book, even though it was the most purchased book in Germany in the 1930's.

BUt I have read William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and have relied on his viewpoint regarding Mein Kampf. It's in Chapter 4 of the book. You should really read it, as you obviously never read Mein Kampf yourself. Shirer was an American reporter in Germany in the 1920's and 1930's who personally witnessed the rise of Nazism. At any rate, Shirer's work is probably easier to get through than Hitler's turgid prose.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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That the Nazis were socialists is a lie so breathtakingingly bold Goebbels himself would surely cry in admiration.
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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What socialism meant in Nazi Germany was that everyone in each community do their part by working and putting the interests of the community before their own private interests. Thus there was no welfare because it ran against their belief that some people had the right to live off the efforts of others. In the minds of Hitler and the Nazis work was the connecting element between people in any given community. To be a part of the community each person had to work thereby contrib uting to the betterment of each community. They did recognized that there existed a natural aristocracy of people that had a right to live as is their natural place in a society although with no special privaleges. Therefore they didn't eliminate the aristocracy like Stalin did in Russia. So they didn't recognize classes as a right for privaleges and entitlements just by being born into a certain class. An example is the children of the upper classes did national work service just like everyone else. This belief in equality of people regarding community work and no special treatment by rights of birth got Hitler in trouble with the upper aristocracy. They didn't like him. In fact the assasination attempt on Hitlers life was at least in part due to the fact that Hitler only recognized talent as the prerequisite for any position. But the Nazis definitely did not believe in creating equals where none exists. Their belief was to create a society of unequals where everyone had a chance to live according to their talents and abilities. The Wermacht was based on the old officer/aristocracy system whereas the SS was based on talent only. Hitler had many people in the Wermacht that didn't like him for that reason. So as far as being a true socialism or not it depends on how you want to define socialism.
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