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Old 11-25-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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-The U.S. Chattel-Slavery SYSTEM was 'Mother-Based' (Matrilineal) --NOT 'Color-Based' (RACIAL),

-Many WHITE people WERE Chattel-SLAVES in the U.S.*

-MOST Chattel-SLAVES in the U.S. WERE NOT BLACK (most were Mulatto or Metis and many were even White)*

-The U.S. received LESS THAN 6% of the West Africans captured*

-The 'Willie Lynch Speech / Letter' is a total HOAX*

-The Color-Based 'Slave-Hierarchy and Color-Based 'Features-Tests' are MYTHS

Please see this link on Partus Sequitur Ventrem which was what slavery was based on:

Partus sequitur ventrem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See this video by Frank Sweet on how courts and law in regards to slavery and enslavement:


C9A. How Courts Decided if You Were a Slave - YouTube
This is your revisionist history. It is 100% false. American slavery was based 100% on race and the prevailing belief that Africans were subhuman and therefore didn't need to be treated as human beings.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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"The worst thing the black liberal community ever did for themselves since civil rights was become an automatic puppet vote for the democrat party. When a politician can take your vote for granted as if its a freebie, then you will NEVER be the focus of beneficial change." –Wayne Dupree
No, the worst thing that blacks did was buy into the notion that the vote counts and that other people from either major or minor parties can change the current predicament. I'm a strong proponent of self determination and cooperative economics amongst black people.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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If reparations are given to African Americans, it should be given to the survivors of the Jim Crow. There are no survivors of chattel slavery alive. A better case of reparations could be made for Jim Crow.

An apology for Jim Crow would be nice though.

And socioeconomics and classism should be addressed.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:57 PM
 
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No, the worst thing that blacks did was buy into the notion that the vote counts and that other people from either major or minor parties can change the current predicament. I'm a strong proponent of self determination and cooperative economics amongst black people.
PoLIEtics in general is bull****.

And many in the black community are allied with Democrats and liberals, even though many blacks hold conservative views on many aspects. But anyway think about it. Many blacks are dependent on white voices and people to carry out there causes. For example, Tim Wise who is an opportunist and possible undercover privileged white supremacist. The point is, why are ppl listening to Tim Wise, but meanwhile ppl don't validate or hear directly from blacks and ppl of color speaking out about race work and fighting racism. Tim Wise dumbass made racist and insulting remarks in analogies and examples using the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case.

In addition, it was white liberals backing and controlling and telling blacks what to do and sympathize for Trayvon Martin and protesting to the streets and all that mumbo jumbo.

I'm also pretty sure that it is not blacks giving Al Sharpton his own platform and talk shows and news shows that he hosts on MSNBC for example. I'm also sure that Melissa Harris Perry didn't have her show given to her by black people. It was all of the mainstream white liberal media pulling the strings and blacks are just the bait and puppets. Meanwhile, the whites are neglecting the injustices and violence committed in black communities by other blacks and the whites don't regard it as newsworthy.

Ultimately the liberals and conservatives and Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin working with each othe behind the scenes. It's all bull****.

They need to eliminate all political parties and demarcations and focus on implementing progression and change and helping and improving the people and society for the better.

In addition in the USA ppl seem to focus too much or so much on race but overlook classism and social class and socioeconomics and the true needs of ppl of all races in the USA. It's all about money. Money talks and bull**** talks. That's what ppl need to address.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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“After World War II, a new consensus emerged in the United States and Europe that Jews had to be integrated posthumously into white Europeanness, and that the horror of the Jewish holocaust was essentially a horror at the murder of white Europeans. Since the 1960s, Hollywood films about the holocaust began to depict Jewish victims of Nazism as white Christian-looking, middle class, educated and talented people not unlike contemporary European and American Christians who should and would identify with them. Presumably if the films were to depict the poor religious Jews of Eastern Europe (and most East European Jews who were killed by the Nazis were poor and many were religious), contemporary white Christians would not find commonality with them. Hence, the post-holocaust European Christian horror at the genocide of European Jews was not based on the horror of slaughtering people in the millions who were different from European Christians, but rather a horror at the murder of millions of people who were the same as European Christians. This explains why in a country like the United States, which had nothing to do with the slaughter of European Jews, there exists upwards of 40 holocaust memorials and a major museum for the murdered Jews of Europe, but not one for the holocaust of Native Americans or African Americans for which the US is responsible.”

The Last of the Semites by Joseph Massad
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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This is your revisionist history. It is 100% false. American slavery was based 100% on race and the prevailing belief that Africans were subhuman and therefore didn't need to be treated as human beings.
Actually if anyone is making revisionist history claims, that would be you dear. If you want to find the culprit of and for slavery that believed that Africans were inferior and/or subhuman, you need to call out the Arabs that promulgated and were behind the worldwide massive slave trade of blacks and Africans worldwide. The Arab slave trade is the big elephant and culprit in the room. The Arabs and their Muslim allies came up with the concept of using blacks and Africans as a source of labor and viewed blacks as inferior and below and underneath.

They transported these ideas to the Iberian Peninsula and other Europeans followed suit. IJS. Arabs even worked in cooperation with and in collusion with Europeans in trading and importing and exporting and exploiting Africans during the Transatlantic slave trade.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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I don't think America is haunted by slavery.
Its the aftermath that still haunts America,esp Jim Crow laws. I'm sure black Americans would be on almost equal income levels with whites had they been allowed to participate economically and socially in 1865.
So true.

The legacy of Jim Crow is what's delayed progress and the reasons why many whites still view blacks as aliens from out of space.

I mean..it's 2013 and the questions that some still ask blacks are simply...amazing.

For example, I know that the Irish have their leprechuan stories, but never in my wildest imaginations would I ask a white person of Irish ancestry if they actually believed in any. But many whites have no problem asking blacks if they're into some form of voodoo. Like seriously??
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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This is your revisionist history. It is 100% false. American slavery was based 100% on race and the prevailing belief that Africans were subhuman and therefore didn't need to be treated as human beings.
I stated facts. You can make a false claims and make revisionist history claims all you want which you are doing right now, but it won't change the fact that I stated truth and facts. Slavery was based on the mother and her womb. You could only be a slave if your mother was a slave. That's how it worked. It was illegal to enslave a person on the basis of their race. It was determined that enslavement would be carried thru the maternal ancestor.

I suggest you read and look up Myths Across The Color Line.

This link here is good reading on facts and truth on history and debunking all of the myths across the color line:

Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » Myths Across the Color Line
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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Actually if anyone is making revisionist history claims, that would be you dear. If you want to find the culprit of and for slavery that believed that Africans were inferior and/or subhuman, you need to call out the Arabs that promulgated and were behind the worldwide massive slave trade of blacks and Africans worldwide. The Arab slave trade is the big elephant and culprit in the room. The Arabs and their Muslim allies came up with the concept of using blacks and Africans as a source of labor and viewed blacks as inferior and below and underneath.

They transported these ideas to the Iberian Peninsula and other Europeans followed suit. IJS.
The jews were also middlemen, please let's not leave out their role in this either.

Also, there is no way either the Arabs, jews or europeans could have captured 60 million enslaved africans without the help of other africans on the continent. They are just as culpable, if not moreso.

Too bad, the europeans did their usual backstabbing and turned on them too towards the end of the slave trade through forced colonization.

Europeans brought the whip, the bible, some shoe polish and a bag of beans throughout every beautiful place where they did not belong and destroyed it from the inside.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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To a degree it is indentured servitude, but I'm blessed with a very good job and the ability to pay off my debt while continuing to save.
That's good. I wish that more things were free in the USA like education.
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