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Old 02-03-2014, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Q-tip motha View Post
Racism stifles social mobility for black Americans. Still does in certain places/situations today.

Slavery ended. Racism didn't. Anyone who's older than 50 in the US has been alive at a time when black people were effectively second class citizens or worse in our country. Social mobility can take generations under average conditions, but the racism that existed in 1964 simply didn't vanish overnight either.
Racism is tied to slavery?

Racism exists between races who never enslaved each other.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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I don't think America is haunted by slavery.
Its the aftermath that still haunts America,esp Jim Crow laws. I'm sure black Americans would be on almost equal income levels with whites had they been allowed to participate economically and socially in 1865.
I think this is correct.
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Old 02-03-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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Racism is tied to slavery?

Racism exists between races who never enslaved each other.
Absolutely. There is black racism towards the Asians, there is Asian racism towards the whites.
Racism is somehow ingrained into human culture. But this is not a problem, the problem is when people act on the racist agenda. No law however can change the way people think: Soviets tried it, Nazis tried it and all of them failed.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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We wouldn't be haunted by slavery If our Middle School text books taught use the true about the war and the South!
Would that be the truth that a small minority of rich white people in the south tricked the majority of poor white people in the south into fighting a war to preserve the political power of the rich white people vis-a-vis slavery....or did you have something else in mind?
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:43 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Organized legal discrimination did not stop until 1970
They r angry
Now they r angry for a different reason
As in France-Their life style prevents them from getting all the good stuff the host country has to offer
And they don't like it
Poster boy rich blacks give the hope it is all going to change rubbish
The escape route from poverty and I know it well has one door and one door only
Stop the violence pull your pants up and put your gun down
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Would that be the truth that a small minority of rich white people in the south tricked the majority of poor white people in the south into fighting a war to preserve the political power of the rich white people vis-a-vis slavery....or did you have something else in mind?
I don't know if tricked them is the right word.. I think the Southern powers prodded the North into a fight that they knew the poorer boys would not run from.
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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I don't know if tricked them is the right word.. I think the Southern powers prodded the North into a fight that they knew the poorer boys would not run from.
Well, I was being facetious to what I am sure is that posters "enlightened" neo-Confederate viewpoint of the Civil War. However, "tricked" may not be too far off. I doubt the average poor white in the south would have stated that his reason for fighting was to preserve the political power of wealthy elite and the slave owners, though that is exactly what he was doing. If that involved prodding the north into reacting to southern aggression in order to secure that support; then while we could come up with fancier and more nuanced terms, "tricked" still pretty much captures it.
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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Well, I was being facetious to what I am sure is that posters "enlightened" neo-Confederate viewpoint of the Civil War. However, "tricked" may not be too far off. I doubt the average poor white in the south would have stated that his reason for fighting was to preserve the political power of wealthy elite and the slave owners, though that is exactly what he was doing. If that involved prodding the north into reacting to southern aggression in order to secure that support; then while we could come up with fancier and more nuanced terms, "tricked" still pretty much captures it.
But then couldn't the same be said about the average northern soldier?

You think Billy Blue in Ohio gave a crap whether Georgia remained in the Union or not?

There were rich northerners that had a major stake in the southern states remaining in the Union...
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:50 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Even to this day, the emotions run very deep. The pain is very real.
And the socio-economic disparities remain.


This is not just the case in the United States--but also in such Latin American countries as Brazil and the Dominican Republic.


Why is this so? Why does slavery still haunt us?
And how can we move forward as a nation?

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Slavery is not the problem; hatred is and an unforgiving spirit.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I think that the average poor white in the south would have stated their reasons for fighting were because the Union army was in the South fighting them.

I think it was much easier to raise an Army behind a slogan of "lets protect our homeland" vs "lets go take their homeland".

I think the North made their job easy for them.
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