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There was a 1st time in the 20th century, 1917-1918, from the Huns.
So we get credit for one out of three, the last one? In the spring of 1945, after Georgi Zhukov's savages got tired of raping every German woman they could find, after regrouping and marching west again, the Red Army would have been on the Channel beaches by mid summer. Without US forces to check them, the Russians would have rolled easily. Monty and his boys would have been too busy sipping tea to offer more than token resistence.
There is no evidence that the Soviet Union had any desire to keep rolling west. They were quite happy to agree to Churchill's 'naughty document' and Stalin kept his side of that bargain by keeping out of the Greek conflict. They also left Finland alone having got what they wanted in the Russo-Finnish war. In my opinion, the Soviets would have stopped at the Rhine. In 1945, they were more interested in building a buffer to future aggressors than they were in building a European empire.
Ultimately, the issue is one of what Europe would have looked like had the USA not entered the war. In my opinion, the Iron Curtain would have been on the Rhine rather than the Elbe. The Germans would have been forced to withdraw most of their forces from France and the Low Countries to defend against the Soviets. That would have allowed the UK and Free French to land in France but they would have lacked the strength to cross the Rhine.
So we get credit for one out of three, the last one? In the spring of 1945, after Georgi Zhukov's savages got tired of raping every German woman they could find, after regrouping and marching west again, the Red Army would have been on the Channel beaches by mid summer. Without US forces to check them, the Russians would have rolled easily. Monty and his boys would have been too busy sipping tea to offer more than token resistence.
No, you don't get the last one either (see Jaggy's posts). And please refrain from the old tea-drinking stereotypes, it doesn't help your argument but it does make you sound a bit childish. Monty and his boys were hardly "sipping tea" in North Africa before the US arrived.
if it was just the Russians and Americans, or the British empire and the Russians, then Germany and Japan would have won the war eventually.
Not so. The economies of the British and the USSR were far greater than Germany's. If the US was not in, neither were the Japanese. The Japanese were beaten in China in 1939 by the Soviets. Few know of that conflict. In 1939 Germany were against it against the British empire. Read out the economic aspects.
Cause wiping Britain's cities out was not easy cus we had the spitfire and Radar (The only place in the world with Radar) which destroyed Hitlers bomber planes so easily!
The Germans had radar, but it was more primitive. The air defence system the UK was the first Intranet. It was all tiered but under one control.
I just realized that the fellow in Turkey John-UK is quoting about the 45million man Indian army is the same fellow who was purposely feeding the Germans, excuse me, The Nazis, false information via his valet.(Operation Cicero)
I guess the entire 45 million man Indian Army was just part of the misinformation that was fed to the Nazis.
No. Can you count? Look up the number of men in the British empire. Franco would not join the Germans as he told Hitler he would get beat.
The time when American forces helped to save the British, and even more so the French, Italians, the Low Countries etc. is by liberating them first before the Soviets arrived. This was something the British could not have done by themselves.
And also its after WW2, when American stayed in Europe and helped to form NATO.
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