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Old 02-23-2014, 01:49 AM
 
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I watched a fascinating programme on TV last night about Queen Victorias first grandson who became Kaiser Wilhelm... what a very sad angry man he turned out to be.. althought its easy to sympathise with the treatment he got as a boy from his so called doctors and his mother Vicky.. One of the very young Princes miracle cures from his doctor was to kill a hare , slit it open and wrap it round the Princes withered arm, supposedly to help his arm grow normal.. this went on for years, then because of weak neck muscles the boy was put in a brace with a screw going into the back of his head... this continued for two years, before they gave up when he was age 12....He also got a form of electric shock treatments... how sad that his family were so ashamed of their sons condition hidden from the pubic... As ge grew ikder gus resebtnebt for both his mother and Great Britian grew..and after his gran Queen Victoria died.. he decided to wage war on the UK. the rest is history. Kaiser Wilhelm II

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Old 02-23-2014, 05:23 AM
 
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It is interesting how past events can mold one into a revolutionary -- be it good or bad. I am reminded of reading in a biography about Al Capone how as a child, his shoe shine kit was stolen, money and all, and he was beat up by bullies. He vowed from that day on that no one would ever bully or steal from him again.
And too, young Jimmy Hoffa lost his dad in a work-related accident when Jimmy was just 11 or 12 years old. This prompted him to fight for workers' rights with a passion that became his legacy.
I did not know this about Wilhelm.
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Old 02-23-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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I watched a fascinating programme on TV last night about Queen Victorias first grandson who became Kaiser Wilhelm... what a very sad angry man he turned out to be.. althought its easy to sympathise with the treatment he got as a boy from his so called doctors and his mother Vicky.. One of the very young Princes miracle cures from his doctor was to kill a hare , slit it open and wrap it round the Princes withered arm, supposedly to help his arm grow normal.. this went on for years, then because of weak neck muscles the boy was put in a brace with a screw going into the back of his head... this continued for two years, before they gave up when he was age 12....He also got a form of electric shock treatments... how sad that his family were so ashamed of their sons condition hidden from the pubic... As ge grew ikder gus resebtnebt for both his mother and Great Britian grew..and after his gran Queen Victoria died.. he decided to wage war on the UK. the rest is history. Kaiser Wilhelm II
He was also largely reared by his Grandfather, who was more militaristic, than his father who was thought to be more modern thinking and scholarly.
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Old 02-23-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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Is that right, it didnt mention that in the programme last night, more about his gran Queen Victoria who he adored it seemed , he was the person with her when she died..
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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The makeup of Wilhelm's bizarre mind is FAR more complicated than that. And I can assure you that he didn't go to war with Britain because of his mother or his early medical treatment, or whatever other simplistic things you're implying.

As Vergofa says, he was reared in a militaristic society that was undergoing enormous changes. He was also horribly spoiled, like most oldest royal sons. He was very fond of his British family and imitated them endlessly -- in fact, rather than hating Britain, he wanted to be exactly like his uncle Edward. He wanted yachts, he wanted to be a member of the British military, he wanted very much to be British.

And yes, he was with the queen when she died. He pushed everyone else out of his way in order to be the center of attention and make himself the star of the drama at her bedside.

There are many excellent biographies of him available. Most recently I was reading about him in this book, which I recommend.

The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914
Margaret Macmillan
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:25 AM
 
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Id imagine that would be the case.... He blamed the British doctors for him being damaged at birth... but then the programme was diluted to suit timing and now I plan to read much more about the man....so thanks for the book title.. The parts I have read states he wasnt liked much at all even by his Royal cousins. and is buried in the Netherlands.

In the early 1930s, Wilhelm apparently hoped that the successes of the German Nazi Party would stimulate interest in a restoration of the monarchy, with his eldest grandson as the fourth Kaiser. His second wife, Hermine, actively petitioned the Nazi government on her husband's behalf. However, Adolf Hitler, himself a veteran of the First World War, like other leading Nazis, felt nothing but scorn for the man they blamed for Germany's greatest defeat, and the petitions were ignored. Though he played host to Hermann Göring at Doorn on at least one occasion, Wilhelm grew to mistrust Hitler. Hearing of the murder of the wife of former Chancellor Schleicher, he said "We have ceased to live under the rule of law and everyone must be prepared for the possibility that the Nazis will push their way in and put them up against the wall!"[65] Wilhelm was also appalled at the Kristallnacht of 9–10 November 1938, saying "I have just made my views clear to Auwi [Wilhelm's fourth son] in the presence of his brothers. He had the nerve to say that he agreed with the Jewish pogroms and understood why they had come about. When I told him that any decent man would describe these actions as gangsterisms, he appeared totally indifferent. He is completely lost to our family".[66] He also stated, "For the first time, I am ashamed to be a German. Wilhelm II, German Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 02-23-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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I watched a fascinating programme on TV last night about Queen Victorias first grandson who became Kaiser Wilhelm... what a very sad angry man he turned out to be.. althought its easy to sympathise with the treatment he got as a boy from his so called doctors and his mother Vicky.. One of the very young Princes miracle cures from his doctor was to kill a hare , slit it open and wrap it round the Princes withered arm, supposedly to help his arm grow normal.. this went on for years, then because of weak neck muscles the boy was put in a brace with a screw going into the back of his head... this continued for two years, before they gave up when he was age 12....He also got a form of electric shock treatments... how sad that his family were so ashamed of their sons condition hidden from the pubic... As ge grew ikder gus resebtnebt for both his mother and Great Britian grew..and after his gran Queen Victoria died.. he decided to wage war on the UK. the rest is history. Kaiser Wilhelm II
Yeah, the Kaiser was a complex, insecure and very emotional man. Although Germany was a enemy of Britain in both WW1 and WW2, its important to remember the Kaiser was not a inhuman monster like Hitler and his Nazis. In fact he was a cousin of King George V, who was King of England during WW1!

He was also a cousin of Czar Nicholas II of Russia. If you scroll down the wickapedia article of the Kaiser, you will see him pictured next to the Czar. Note the Kaiser's left arm is shorter then his right arm (the Czar's is normal). His left arm was damaged at birth and it gave him problems all his life as you point out above. So he usually tried to hide that the left arm was shorter by holding a prop like a sword or gloves, or simply keeping his left hand in his pocket.

Wilhelm II, German Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This would not be as a big deal for a normal person but for a Kaiser who is going to be the center of attention wherever he goes, be in countless photographs and is expected to be able to ride a horse and lead a army - it was a very big deal.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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I watched a fascinating programme on TV last night about Queen Victorias first grandson who became Kaiser Wilhelm... what a very sad angry man he turned out to be.. althought its easy to sympathise with the treatment he got as a boy from his so called doctors and his mother Vicky.. One of the very young Princes miracle cures from his doctor was to kill a hare , slit it open and wrap it round the Princes withered arm, supposedly to help his arm grow normal.. this went on for years, then because of weak neck muscles the boy was put in a brace with a screw going into the back of his head... this continued for two years, before they gave up when he was age 12....He also got a form of electric shock treatments... how sad that his family were so ashamed of their sons condition hidden from the pubic... As ge grew ikder gus resebtnebt for both his mother and Great Britian grew..and after his gran Queen Victoria died.. he decided to wage war on the UK. the rest is history. Kaiser Wilhelm II
The Kaiser at times hated Britain but I would say it was far more a love-hate relationship. His mother was English (Princess Victoria, daughter of Queen Victoria) and at time the Kaiser described himself as half English. So he also admired the British, spoke English well and was probably more then a little jealous of his English relatives.

Unfortunately for Germany, that is a good part of the reason that Germany started building a huge navy. Since the British Empire had a huge navy, the Kaiser wanted a big German navy too. It was understandable that Germany a traditional land power needed a huge army because she was surrounded by a hostile alliance of France and Russia. But by building a huge navy she became more and more a threat to the British and so systematically drove the once friendly British into an alliance with France and Russia (Britain traditional enemies).

Robert Massie has wrote an excellent book called Dreadnought - Britain, Germany and the Coming of the Great War that goes into great detail on the subject of the growing German navy and how it helped take Britain from being a friend of Germany into one of its principal opponents.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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Although Kaiser Wilhelm's mother was English, she nevertheless scorned her native country and taught Wilhelm to hate Britain, partly because the throat specialist in London, Dr. Bergmann had badly bungled performing the tracheotomy of his father Frederick, and caused him great lasting pain (and to lose his voice), toward the end of his life. Frederick III, German Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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The makeup of Wilhelm's bizarre mind is FAR more complicated than that. And I can assure you that he didn't go to war with Britain because of his mother or his early medical treatment, or whatever other simplistic things you're implying.

As Vergofa says, he was reared in a militaristic society that was undergoing enormous changes. He was also horribly spoiled, like most oldest royal sons. He was very fond of his British family and imitated them endlessly -- in fact, rather than hating Britain, he wanted to be exactly like his uncle Edward. He wanted yachts, he wanted to be a member of the British military, he wanted very much to be British.

And yes, he was with the queen when she died. He pushed everyone else out of his way in order to be the center of attention and make himself the star of the drama at her bedside.

There are many excellent biographies of him available. Most recently I was reading about him in this book, which I recommend.

The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914
Margaret Macmillan
I also recommend the book George, Nicholas and Wilhelm: Three Royal Cousins and the Road to World War I, by Miranda Carter. It does a good compare and contrast of the monarchs of Britain, Germany and Russia, who were related by blood, their characteristics, and the complicated interplay between them.
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