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Old 05-22-2012, 11:13 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Do you consider whipping and raping slaves immoral? That goes back way before 1965. If anything, people have become much kinder to people who are different from them since the 60s.

Maybe you should appraise what you consider a moral society (hint, men's hair length and doobie smoking have little to do with it) before starting a topic on the subject.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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I think the OP was pretty close, 1965 sounds about right for the beginning of a 30 year long crime wave in the USA. Lots of reasons for it, such as the introduction of the birth control pill in 1960 combined with welfare in the mid 60's leading to the breakdown of the family, poor mate selection, breeding children for the check and not teaching them any values, no more father figures, ect.

Add to that the change in immigration laws in the mid 60's, and the beginning of the flood of illegals from Latin America. Pile on that, the minority revenge factor that became possible after all the civil rights laws were passed. The fear factor for minorities had been removed, the KKK and local groups of that type from up north as well, could no longer use fear to maintain order. Granted they themselves were commiting crimes to install fear, and this may sound racist but I suspect that for every one crime the KKK committed against minorities, one hundred or more crimes against whites were prevented, as minorities knew what would happen to them if they started targeting whites with violence, rape, property crimes, rioting or anything of that sort.

Also the police were neutered in the 60's, and this helped criminals of all races. No more search and seizure without a warrant, no more beating up prisoners in jail, rousting homeless people, running you out of town if you looked shady, ect. They had lots of short cuts for keeping law and order in those days, brutal but very effective. Another effective method they used was locking you up for 20 or 30 years at a time without parole, and executions.

The eugenics programs used by many states might have helped to reduce crime as well, but I have done enough damage here for one night, so I won't expand on that any further.

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Old 05-23-2012, 06:22 AM
 
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Mofford, I wish I had the ability to rep you more than once. Thank you for a very accurate and well presented post. There is such a contrast in views between people that lived through that period and people who didn't.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I think the OP was pretty close, 1965 sounds about right for the beginning of a 30 year long crime wave in the USA. Lots of reasons for it, such as the introduction of the birth control pill in 1960 combined with welfare in the mid 60's leading to the breakdown of the family, poor mate selection, breeding children for the check and not teaching them any values, no more father figures, ect.

Add to that the change in immigration laws in the mid 60's, and the beginning of the flood of illegals from Latin America. Pile on that, the minority revenge factor that became possible after all the civil rights laws were passed. The fear factor for minorities had been removed, the KKK and local groups of that type from up north as well, could no longer use fear to maintain order. Granted they themselves were commiting crimes to install fear, and this may sound racist but I suspect that for every one crime the KKK committed against minorities, one hundred or more crimes against whites were prevented, as minorities knew what would happen to them if they started targeting whites with violence, rape, property crimes, rioting or anything of that sort.

Also the police were neutered in the 60's, and this helped criminals of all races. No more search and seizure without a warrant, no more beating up prisoners in jail, rousting homeless people, running you out of town if you looked shady, ect. They had lots of short cuts for keeping law and order in those days, brutal but very effective. Another effective method they used was locking you up for 20 or 30 years at a time without parole, and executions.

The eugenics programs used by many states might have helped to reduce crime as well, but I have done enough damage here for one night, so I won't expand on that any further.

So, what are you saying? That it's mostly the fault of minorities?
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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These things have always been a problem. My city has a long history of drugs, sex and rock n' roll before the proverbial days of drugs, sex and rock n' roll.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I think the OP was pretty close, 1965 sounds about right for the beginning of a 30 year long crime wave in the USA. Lots of reasons for it, such as the introduction of the birth control pill in 1960 combined with welfare in the mid 60's leading to the breakdown of the family, poor mate selection, breeding children for the check and not teaching them any values, no more father figures, ect.

Add to that the change in immigration laws in the mid 60's, and the beginning of the flood of illegals from Latin America. Pile on that, the minority revenge factor that became possible after all the civil rights laws were passed. The fear factor for minorities had been removed, the KKK and local groups of that type from up north as well, could no longer use fear to maintain order. Granted they themselves were commiting crimes to install fear, and this may sound racist but I suspect that for every one crime the KKK committed against minorities, one hundred or more crimes against whites were prevented, as minorities knew what would happen to them if they started targeting whites with violence, rape, property crimes, rioting or anything of that sort.

Also the police were neutered in the 60's, and this helped criminals of all races. No more search and seizure without a warrant, no more beating up prisoners in jail, rousting homeless people, running you out of town if you looked shady, ect. They had lots of short cuts for keeping law and order in those days, brutal but very effective. Another effective method they used was locking you up for 20 or 30 years at a time without parole, and executions.

The eugenics programs used by many states might have helped to reduce crime as well, but I have done enough damage here for one night, so I won't expand on that any further.
Yeah? So then what happened in the early '90's which caused the trend to reverse itself? President Clinton authorized a return to warrantless search and seizures? He enouraged the Klan to crack down on minorities once more? He had the FDA go around and collect everyone's birth control devices?

Your thesis seems to rest entirely on applying your personal political philosophy to any situation, whether it makes sense or not.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:15 AM
 
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Yeah? So then what happened in the early '90's which caused the trend to reverse itself?
For the most part it was simply that the Boomers began to outgrow violent crime.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:17 AM
 
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So, what are you saying? That it's mostly the fault of minorities?
If that's what you concluded from that broad ranging post you read rather selectively.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If that's what you concluded from that broad ranging post you read rather selectively.

Yeah, that's what I got. How am I wrong?

"The fear factor for minorities had been removed, the KKK and local groups of that type from up north as well, could no longer use fear to maintain order. Granted they themselves were commiting crimes to install fear, and this may sound racist but I suspect that for every one crime the KKK committed against minorities, one hundred or more crimes against whites were prevented, as minorities knew what would happen to them if they started targeting whites with violence, rape, property crimes, rioting or anything of that sort."

Then, you added illegals to the mix, nearly all of whom are Hispanic.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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For the most part it was simply that the Boomers began to outgrow violent crime.
That isn't any more enlightening than saying "Then everyone decided to stop."
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