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Interesting topic..
Problem I see, is that individual lynchings were different. Different players, different victims. All lynching victims may have been ultimately shortchanged due process.. but that doesn't mean every lynching target was an angel, worthy of memorializing. Often they were ppl accused, and held, and sometimes already convicted, on the most serious charges.
It's modern cultural-Marxist propaganda, that all lynchings were framed by the same racial & circumstantial elements. We don't know their potential guilt (or potential innocence) bcuz it often wasn't adjudicated before they were executed. But to memorialize a potential criminal, bcuz he/she was denied full justice, seems a holistically unworthy cause.. and it would lay aside objective scrutiny of each individual lynching (?)
I mean if Ted Bundy had been lynched by an outraged mob after he killed a woman, would he be worthy of memorializing, solely bcuz he suffered a miscarriage of due process..?
You can't be serious. Do you honestly believe that the convicted received fair trials? They were convicted before the first word of testimony was even spoken.
Interesting topic..
Problem I see, is that individual lynchings were different. Different players, different victims. All lynching victims may have been ultimately shortchanged due process.. but that doesn't mean every lynching target was an angel, worthy of memorializing. Often they were ppl accused, and held, and sometimes already convicted, on the most serious charges.
It's modern cultural-Marxist propaganda, that all lynchings were framed by the same racial & circumstantial elements. We don't know their potential guilt (or potential innocence) bcuz it often wasn't adjudicated before they were executed. But to memorialize a potential criminal, bcuz he/she was denied full justice, seems a holistically unworthy cause.. and it would lay aside objective scrutiny of each individual lynching (?)
I mean if Ted Bundy had been lynched by an outraged mob after he killed a woman, would he be worthy of memorializing, solely bcuz he suffered a miscarriage of due process..?
To quote John Adams, second POTUS, the US is "a nation of laws, not of men".
Vigilante justice is illegal in this country, and immoral by Judeo-Christian doctrine ("justice is mine," sayeth the Lord), whether the victim of it is innocent or guilty of the alleged "crime". Your attempt to defend lynching is simply a feeble right-wing rationalization of the indefensible.
Our local city does a memorial to traffic fatalities and so one sees many markers by the road side. I think it would be dismal if we made a marker for every occasion where a person or persons was wronged by the system.
Our local city does a memorial to traffic fatalities and so one sees many markers by the road side. I think it would be dismal if we made a marker for every occasion where a person or persons was wronged by the system.
I don't think that's what the group in my original post was proposing, but more to the point, lynching was a particularly violent and heinous crime that was not carried out by "the system" but by mobs bent on terrorizing people, not just the victims themselves but other people like them. That was the purpose of lynching. Often representatives of "the system" were complicit with lynching, but the system itself was not.
I think life is inherently unfair and with the controls of civilization do we attempt to maintain a degree of fairness. A local breakage in civil order does not warrant a memorial. I am from Miami and recall 18 people were murdered in the 1980 riots. These were both whites and blacks and really no one cares. I do not dispute people tended to savagery in the past due to harsh living conditions and lack of education but do not see how that can be an excuse now in our very modern late 20th/early 21th century USA. They deserve a memorial in the very neighborhood they were killed to remind the local populace of their misdeeds.
Interesting topic..
Problem I see, is that individual lynchings were different. Different players, different victims. All lynching victims may have been ultimately shortchanged due process.. but that doesn't mean every lynching target was an angel, worthy of memorializing. Often they were ppl accused, and held, and sometimes already convicted, on the most serious charges.
It's modern cultural-Marxist propaganda, that all lynchings were framed by the same racial & circumstantial elements. We don't know their potential guilt (or potential innocence) bcuz it often wasn't adjudicated before they were executed. But to memorialize a potential criminal, bcuz he/she was denied full justice, seems a holistically unworthy cause.. and it would lay aside objective scrutiny of each individual lynching (?)
I mean if Ted Bundy had been lynched by an outraged mob after he killed a woman, would he be worthy of memorializing, solely bcuz he suffered a miscarriage of due process..?
Wow, just wow.
Lynching was a terror tactic used by white supremacists, primarily in the South, to limit the political authority of blacks and white Republicans. The overwhelming majority of lynchings had nothing to do with any crime on the part of the victim--they had to do with the political aims of the killers.
Talk about blaming the victim and ignorance of history.
B_R's Bundy comment reminds me of an episode which occurred in the early 18th century. New army recruits were being drilled in front of the public at the town square to include a volley discharge with blank cartridges at the crowd. Regrettably one of the recruits left his ramrod in the barrel of his musket and fired it into the crowd killing a spectator.
Fortunately, the spectator was the local brigand "taking the day off"[quoted from the book] and so the crowd was rather please with the results and impressed with the working of Divine Intervention.
Unless someone knew the fellow killed was a criminal one would think it was a tragedy with an innocent killed but that nugget of information has been passed down to modern readership. And so with lynchings unless one has details on the events. I recall a photo I have seen of neck-tie party "one rope, two ends" with reputed rustlers strung up in 1880 Wyoming or so. Do not know the back story and so cannot state they were innocent.
One must have passion for history and research but also temper their emotions with logic.
I think life is inherently unfair and with the controls of civilization do we attempt to maintain a degree of fairness. A local breakage in civil order does not warrant a memorial. I am from Miami and recall 18 people were murdered in the 1980 riots. These were both whites and blacks and really no one cares. I do not dispute people tended to savagery in the past due to harsh living conditions and lack of education but do not see how that can be an excuse now in our very modern late 20th/early 21th century USA. They deserve a memorial in the very neighborhood they were killed to remind the local populace of their misdeeds.
That you don't care does not mean that others don't or that there should not be a memorial or marker to remember them. You do not represent everybody in Miami.
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