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Old 12-19-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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In 1912, Heinrich Class, a German politician and the president of the ultra-nationalist and extremist Pan-German League, wrote a book titled "If I Were the Kaiser." Here is an excerpt from this book (in English, of course):

http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/...Future_104.pdf

Basically, what I find extremely interesting about this excerpt of this book is that its anti-Semitism and demands for German Lebensraum are very similar to the views of the Nazis in regards to this. Indeed, the main distinction between Class and the Nazis is that Class advocated having Germany acquire Lebensraum in the Southeast while the Nazis advocated having Germany acquire Lebensraum in the East.

Anyway, any thoughts on this book and on this specific excerpt from this book?
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Old 12-27-2015, 01:06 AM
 
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Also, if anyone here knows of additional proto-Nazi documents (especially from before the start of World War I), then please let us know and share these documents with us! After all, while I certainly consider the Nazis to be vile scum, it is nevertheless interesting to see how and from where the Nazis' ideas and beliefs originated from.
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Old 12-27-2015, 01:07 AM
 
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In addition to this, here are especially relevant quotes from this 1912 proto-Nazi book:

In regards to the need for having Germany acquire Lebensraum (living space):

"But if any state has cause to look to the expansion of its sphere of power, it is the German
Reich, for the size of its population is growing rapidly, its industry needs new markets, its overall
economy needs land to produce tropical and semi-tropical products of every kind, the
procurement of which has today brought us into intolerable dependence on others; let me
mention only cotton. [ . . . ]

One must bear in mind, though, that the purposes of land acquisition abroad are manifold,
depending on the economic and national needs they are meant to serve: we need industrial
markets and land for industrial raw materials, and we need them now and under any
circumstances – but also land for the settlement of Germans, for whom the Fatherland will have
no more room one day because of overpopulation. But that land must be acquired, developed,
and secured today, even if it will experience a larger influx only in twenty or thirty years, for it is
not possible to set up a colony to absorb larger groups of immigrants from one day to the next,
and until such time as it will be needed for this, it can and will already serve the other purposes.
[ . . . ]

One can thus say that since Bismarck’s departure, a complete change has taken place in our
public opinion; talk about German “satiety” is no longer valid; developments and need have
shown that we have become hungry again, hungry for land, and this confronts German
statecraft with tasks that go beyond Bismarck. [ . . . ]"

...

After what was said earlier about the falseness of the slogan about the “satiated state” of the
German Reich, it will come as no surprise if it is stated here unambiguously that the portion of
the surface of the world that is today under German dominion is not adequate for the needs of
the German people. Whether the other states approve or disapprove of this must leave us cold;
let them know it and make their decision in good time whether they prefer to provide us in good
or ill with what we need: land. [ . . . ]"

In regards to blaming the Jews for socialism and for the allegedly "internationalist" character of both German and Austrian socialism:

"Whoever wants to gain the proper position on the Socialist danger to the Reich must be very
clear that the mass poisoning of German voters would not have been possible at all without the
participation of the Jews, that the true leaders are Jews, and that those with whom the hopes of
improvement rest also belong to this people; under Jewish leadership, the “German” Social
Democrats, like the Austrian ones, are serious about their internationalism, whereas the French,
Italian, and Czech Socialists, for example, have no such thoughts. [ . . . ]"

Indeed, this specific quote appears to be a precursor to Adolf Hitler's and the Nazis' belief in both "Judeo-Bolshevism" and in the alleged threat that the Jews pose to Germany.
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Old 12-31-2015, 05:55 PM
 
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Also, if anyone here knows of additional proto-Nazi documents (especially from before the start of World War I), then please let us know and share these documents with us! After all, while I certainly consider the Nazis to be vile scum, it is nevertheless interesting to see how and from where the Nazis' ideas and beliefs originated from.
The Nazis were also influenced by a couple of British writers (pre WWI) whose ideas appear to be very similar to the book above in that they mixed the economic need for "Lebenstrum (sp)" colonies with big doses of a natural ethnic superiority that was made manifest in industrialization, the dangers posed by socialism and pretty big doses of anti Semitism. Of course, the British writers profoundly disagreed with the Teutons as to what ethnic groups was the uhmmm..... "Alpha of the Alphas". That aside, I cant remember the titles of the books. I believe that there were at least two of them.

It is also interesting to see how much further Hitler carried the core ideas in Mien Kamph. Though neither this author, nor his British equivelants were going to be invited to the Oprah Winfrey show, they don't appear to be deeming entire groups (individuls?- sure) to be an everlasting deadly threat to "the Volk". Likewise, the inhabitants of the "lebenstrum" were not to be enslaved per se. Rather, they would serve as colonial subjects, customers for manufactured goods, and sources of raw materials.

Hitler, however took these ideas to a far greater extreme. In his mind, an entire ethnic group, not just individuals from that group was a deadly threat to the "volk" and had to be killed. "Race" wars of annihilation were said to be natural. The conquered peoples such as Slavs were not just targeted for colonization, but for enslavement and their cultural destroyed.

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