Wouldn't it have been awesome had the Nazis defeated the Soviets and the Nazi's been defeated? (Britain, biggest)
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So what I am getting from this topic is that some devils are better than others?
Uh... yeah? What else?
There aren't two kinds of countries/leaders: 'good' and 'bad'. There's all sorts, in all manner of situations, that each affect the perspective of the United States (for example) in all sorts of different ways.
In a nutshell, a robust defensive posture with the might to back it up deterred Stalin. It did not deter Hitler. Thus, there really was no living with Hitler, but coexistence with Stalin was possible. This is from the perspective of the Western Allies, mind you.
That's it, in a nutshell. There wasn't a compelling reason for war with the USSR but there was for war with Nazi Germany. It's generally about national interest, not simplistic notions of 'good' and 'bad' (which, for example, is precisely the reason we didn't attack Franco's Spain).
Even though realistically it wouldn't have been likely to happen wouldn't it had been amazing had the Nazis managed to completely destroy the Soviet/communist savages, had executed Stalin and all of his friends but the west also managed to defeat the equally horrid Nazis? Considering the Soviets and Nazis were both equally savage and lead by equally savage people could you imagine how different and better things would have been had the world been able to enter an age where neither the Nazis nor the Soviets existed? No Nazi Germany nor Soviet Russia, both equally horrible and both equally deserving of extermination.
Imagine had the two worst entities to have ever existed had been deservedly completely eradicated from the planet been completely destroyed how much better for everyone the world would have been!
As evil as the Nazis were and deserved to be destroyed it has always bothered me knowing we had to befriend and make deals with an equally horrid devil to do it. Had both Hitler and Stalin and friends been sent to the deepest pits of hell we could have avoided SO much unneeded despair and bloodshed.
Quite comical considering Hitler had no intention of destroying America or any other country, including non-white ones, unlike the Soviets who beheaded and destroyed Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Yugoslavia, Lithuania, Latvia, East Germany, and tortured, machine gunned, starved, and fatally over-worked 50 million Europeans!
I'm unsure why you didn't include in your post, "we'd all be speaking German now".
Last edited by DownHillAmerica; 06-09-2016 at 09:55 AM..
Quite comical considering Hitler had no intention of destroying America or any other country, including non-white ones, unlike the Soviets who beheaded and destroyed Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Yugoslavia, Lithuania, Latvia, East Germany, and tortured, machine gunned, starved, and fatally over-worked 50 million Europeans!
I'm unsure why you didn't include in your post, "we'd all be speaking German now".
Hitler routinely commented that he was going to destroy the democracies.
Quite comical considering Hitler had no intention of destroying America or any other country, including non-white ones, unlike the Soviets who beheaded and destroyed Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Yugoslavia, Lithuania, Latvia, East Germany, and tortured, machine gunned, starved, and fatally over-worked 50 million Europeans!
I'm unsure why you didn't include in your post, "we'd all be speaking German now".
You must've forgotten about Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Greece, Belgium ? I am not including France since it did declare war on Germany over Poland. But all of these other countries were invaded by Hitler, destroyed, and in the process of being "incorporated" into the Third Reich.
At least Yugoslavia after the war remained independent from the USSR - even a bitter enemy - despite being ran by the communists.
And Ukraine was an integral part of the Russian Empire - and unlike Poland or Finland, it didn't have an autonomy. So it becoming part of the USSR can't be considered an act of invasion, merely one side losing to another in a civil war.
I guess that excuses the butchering and starving of seven million Ukrainians by the Reds.
Beat that strawman good!
Hint:
A strawman is when someone (you, in this case) 'refutes' an argument that no one made (that the Holodomor was excusable, in this case). It's a common, though dishonest, tactic in discussions.
Hint:
A strawman is when someone (you, in this case) 'refutes' an argument that no one made (that the Holodomor was excusable, in this case). It's a common, though dishonest, tactic in discussions.
Oh, I aim to get back to the invasions of those other countries.
Even though realistically it wouldn't have been likely to happen wouldn't it had been amazing had the Nazis managed to completely destroy the Soviet/communist savages, had executed Stalin and all of his friends but the west also managed to defeat the equally horrid Nazis? Considering the Soviets and Nazis were both equally savage and lead by equally savage people could you imagine how different and better things would have been had the world been able to enter an age where neither the Nazis nor the Soviets existed? No Nazi Germany nor Soviet Russia, both equally horrible and both equally deserving of extermination.
Imagine had the two worst entities to have ever existed had been deservedly completely eradicated from the planet been completely destroyed how much better for everyone the world would have been!
As evil as the Nazis were and deserved to be destroyed it has always bothered me knowing we had to befriend and make deals with an equally horrid devil to do it. Had both Hitler and Stalin and friends been sent to the deepest pits of hell we could have avoided SO much unneeded despair and bloodshed.
Since the Soviets did the bulk of the heavy lifting in defeating the Nazis, no, I don't think it would have been "awesome" at all.
Since the Soviets did the bulk of the heavy lifting in defeating the Nazis, no, I don't think it would have been "awesome" at all.
Yep. The US decided 90 divisions would be enough for our forces for the entire war. The Germans attacked the USSR with 240+ divisions. Makes the issue a bit more clear, don't it.
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