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Old 04-22-2016, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Andrew Jackson was too cool for official warrants! He's like the Dirty Harry of his times!
Common practice for almost all countries during that age was to buy commissions, but he got his military training the old fashioned way - EXPERIENCE - that is, killing Redcoats at the age of 13 in the Revolutionary War.
If he were alive today he would be the Dos Equis "most interesting man" symbol.
At the age of 13 your just following orders of those who know military tactics and are trained in counter tactics which they learned through military schooling and training. And many of the soldiers were just privates and stayed privates until their release from service. Most so called officers in those day just bought their commissions and most of them made up their uniforms as well.
I have two ancestors who were Captains in the Rangers. One was in the Wilderness wars and the other (his son) was in the Revolutionary War. Neither one bought their commissions, they earned them because of their knowledge of the wilderness and combat training fighting the Indians, French and British.

And yes he could have been the Dos Equis man, a fictional character.
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Old 04-22-2016, 07:18 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Im from Jacksonville FL, my wife is from Jackson Ms.....right
All i know about Jackson is he likes to ride horses and he help moved the natives away from the south. Ive often wondered why they made slaves out of black people and didnt attempt to do so with the natives. Maybe they did try with the natives and the natives rejected it?.............
They did try. But the Indians knew where they were and they knew where their home was. They simply walked off into the woods and went home.
Africans did not know where they were and had no place to go.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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Isn't the head of the executive branch the one charged with seeing that the laws are executed? Wasn't it President Jackson's responsibility to see that Georgia complied?
Article II: Section 3 of the Constitution imposes on the President the following duty: "He shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

It was Jackson's responsibility to enforce the Supreme Court decision in Worcester v. Georgia. If federal marshalls could not do the job, Jackson had a duty to send the army to uphold the decision. He did send the army. He sent the army to remove the Indians from their lands and send them packing off to Oklahoma. Jackson did not even make an attempt to enforce this decision.
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Old 04-23-2016, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Article II: Section 3 of the Constitution imposes on the President the following duty: "He shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

It was Jackson's responsibility to enforce the Supreme Court decision in Worcester v. Georgia. If federal marshalls could not do the job, Jackson had a duty to send the army to uphold the decision. He did send the army. He sent the army to remove the Indians from their lands and send them packing off to Oklahoma. Jackson did not even make an attempt to enforce this decision.
Jackson also granted any whites who were married to Native American free and immediate divorces, or they were to walk the Trail of Tears with their spouses to Oklahoma. Some stayed, many left with their families and the children weren't even given a chance to stay or leave. He just didn't force them off THIER land, he stole it from them because he knew it could be resold to whites and taxes could be applied. Money, hatred, greed and bigotry was what it was all about with (Jackson the coward).

While out in Oklahoma the wife and I took the time to visit the museum for Trail of Tears and learned much more that we had ever imagine the pain, sorrow and horror those people were subjected too at the hands of the soldier and (Jackson the Coward).
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Old 04-23-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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Jackson also granted any whites who were married to Native American free and immediate divorces, or they were to walk the Trail of Tears with their spouses to Oklahoma. Some stayed, many left with their families and the children weren't even given a chance to stay or leave. He just didn't force them off THIER land, he stole it from them because he knew it could be resold to whites and taxes could be applied. Money, hatred, greed and bigotry was what it was all about with (Jackson the coward).

While out in Oklahoma the wife and I took the time to visit the museum for Trail of Tears and learned much more that we had ever imagine the pain, sorrow and horror those people were subjected too at the hands of the soldier and (Jackson the Coward).
Weird. You mean the Trail of Tears museum didn't talk up all of Andrew Jackson's accomplishments? How unbalanced of them to ignore his good points.
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Old 04-23-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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A college classmate of mine is a schoolteacher, who recently had a student ask her, "Ms --------, do you have change for a Tub......?
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Old 04-23-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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A college classmate of mine is a schoolteacher, who recently had a student ask her, "Ms --------, do you have change for a Tub......?
Now that's funny.
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Old 04-23-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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Weird. You mean the Trail of Tears museum didn't talk up all of Andrew Jackson's accomplishments? How unbalanced of them to ignore his good points.
Nope, and neither did the Jews at the Holocaust Museum about Hitler when we were there.
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Old 04-23-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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'The most roaring,rollicking, game-cocking, horse-racing, card-playing, mischievous fellow that ever lived....' Contemporary view of Andrew Jackson

There never was a day like it, before or since, in the history of the White House. Scots-Irish frontiersmen, and a good many who were not, crowded the new presidential mansion. They drank all the liquor, ate all the food, scratched the elegant furniture with their spurs, quarreled, were sick on the lawn and stole the silver. On 4 March 1829 Andrew Jackson, the Carrickfergus weaver's son, was inaugurated as seventh President of the United States, and the grip of the old colonial oligarchies on the chief office of the Republic was broken for ever. There was every reason why the ordinary Americans - farmers, cattle drovers, tradesmen and tavern lawyers - who in the first wave of American populist politics had elected Jackson, should rejoice. For them this was a victory of the South and West over the aristocratic East, of democracy over wealth and privilege. The rich and the privileged saw the event rather differently; this was the beginning of 'the reign of King Mob'. The inauguration celebration only confirmed that view.
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Old 04-23-2016, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Jackson also granted any whites who were married to Native American free and immediate divorces, or they were to walk the Trail of Tears with their spouses to Oklahoma. Some stayed, many left with their families and the children weren't even given a chance to stay or leave. He just didn't force them off THIER land, he stole it from them because he knew it could be resold to whites and taxes could be applied. Money, hatred, greed and bigotry was what it was all about with (Jackson the coward).

While out in Oklahoma the wife and I took the time to visit the museum for Trail of Tears and learned much more that we had ever imagine the pain, sorrow and horror those people were subjected too at the hands of the soldier and (Jackson the Coward).
Was there any mention about how the government paid them 20 Million for their land, and gave them good land in Oklahoma, how that payment worked out to be $1200 for every man, woman and child in the Cherokee nation?.... at a time when a settler or common person might make a dollar a day. Did they tell you how a wise Cherokee leader named Major Ridge helped to secure this astronomical payment from the government for the Cherokee people, how the sore losers then brutally murdered Major Ridge and his followers when they got to Oklahoma?

Was it all Jackson did this and Jackson did that, without any mention of how important this land was for the development of the southeastern US, as Cherokee lands were blocking the route thru the Appalachians for a railroad that spurred economic development? Did they mention about the 3 years notice Jackson gave them to vacate, when they could have taken the money and traveled to OK any way they pleased at leisure? Was there any mention of how the Cherokee were using the land in Georgia, letting much of it go fallow and not being used for anything productive?

So was it all Jackson Jackson Jackson, or was there any mention of Jefferson, Monroe, or the real cause of much of the suffering on the trail of tears, Winfield Scott? Any mention of how Scott was derelict in his duty, how he knew full well as an expert cavalryman how to move people across long distances, but intentionally put forth the most half assed effort of his career, shirking his duty to move these people safely to their new home. He never protected the Cherokee from opportunists along the way, there was so much more he could have done but did not. None of them should have been walking, especially women and children. There should have been a wagon for every Cherokee family. Winfield Scott and the horrible weather conditions were the most to blame for the Trail of Tears. It did not have to be that way, and Jackson had no way of knowing it would turn out so badly.

A bit more about Jackson and the central bank. The central bank was controlled by private individuals and shareholders, it was corrupt and buying off congressmen like Henry Clay. The country did not need a central banking system at that point in history, and the central bank did not have the public interests in mind, only profit for the elite and shareholders. In fact, the bank cut off loans to small business and put the squeeze on the little people, to try and force Jackson to give back it's charter. Jackson did not cave. The panic of 1837 and recession that followed was not caused just by Jackson, the bank of England raised interest rates from 3 to 5 percent, which forced US banks to do the same. There was too much private sector debt at the time, and many states had also taken on debt that made it very tough on them, New Hampshire was one of the few states that did not, and fared well thru the recession that lasted until 1844.

The central bank was acting a lot more like a corporation, and not really as a bank for the people with a national scope, and national growth in mind, the small guys (the common man) was being left out. Jackson made the common man's vote count for something. By putting money in a bunch of smaller banks all over the country, he insured more uniform growth. Actually, the economy still grew during the recession after Jackson left office, it was still a recession and there was deflation involved, but the figures still show small growth for that period. A few of the smaller banks in the west and south did lend out too much money, and became insolvent, but probably from lending too much to the common man for a change, lol.

Oh, and my suggestion about electing Supreme Court Justices to MarkG, I think the public should have more say about who they are and what their views are about various subject. I was not suggesting they be picked like a politician with no judicial experience, but from the higher courts of various regions of the country, where they will explain their positions on various subjects and go on a ballet for public vote, or let the state house of reps pick them, but always selecting from a different state, in order until every state has appointed a judge, then begin again. At the very least, the public should be able to vote out Justices that give unpopular rulings, where a 2/3 popular vote would get them kicked out.
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