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Notice the dots over in Central Asia, in the area of Kazakhstan. Those are there because Stalin deported Germans there after WWII. There were Germans in the Baltic States, and he sent hundreds of thousands of Balts there as well as Germans, and there were Germans in Russia proper, as well. That's a little piece of history that gets overlooked. But there it is, on the map.
Actually, that came later (specifically in 1941). Rather, those dots over in Central Asia appear to depict this (possibly among other things):
I've read that English became the "official" language of the Continental Congress, winning by a single vote over German, when two Pennsylvania Dutch reps were delayed by weather en route to the convention and didn't vote.
I've read that English became the "official" language of the Continental Congress, winning by a single vote over German, when two Pennsylvania Dutch reps were delayed by weather en route to the convention and didn't vote.
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Originally Posted by deb100
It seems this urban myth will never die.
OK, the statements above piqued my curiousity.
It wasn't a vote in the Continental Congress, but rather a vote in the U.S. House of Representatives in 1794 that rejected a request by a group of German immigrants for some laws to be translated into German.
An examination of a roster of the different Continental Congresses turns up only a tiny number (like three or four) that even appear to have been of German descent. They were outnumbered by Dutch and French Huguenot descendants. The members were overwhelmingly of British extraction.
Of course, sorry. He began to deport Germans to the east during the war, and that process was followed by Stalin after he came to power. Then again, in the 40's. It was a surprise to me that the Tsar did that, but I suppose it can be understood as a wartime measure. Interesting that the US never rounded up German-Americans like they did the Japanese.
Of course, sorry. He began to deport Germans to the east during the war, and that process was followed by Stalin after he came to power. Then again, in the 40's. It was a surprise to me that the Tsar did that, but I suppose it can be understood as a wartime measure. Interesting that the US never rounded up German-Americans like they did the Japanese.
Never heard that one before.
The only thing I remember was that under Kathryn the Great ( I believe) Germans resettled in Russia had a great deal of privileges, the exempt from draft to the army including. One ( or two) tzars later ( was it Nickolas whatever number he was? Or Paul?) the privileges have been stripped from them, and that's when they started leaving en mass for the US.
But anyways, I came across this propagandist video from 1944, while looking up some information for the fans of the history of Moscow on FB.
We were talking about the exact place where German POWs were placed in Moscow before they were paraded in front of the Moscovites. They were in big numbers, ( 57,600) so I wondered where that could take place. It turned out to be Moscow's hippodrome.
I can verify that. My family, too, came to Chicago in 1914 (?15) from Enders, Ukraine, just north of the Black Sea. The whole town packed up and moved to Jefferson Park, Chicago. Family left behind wound up in Siberia.
When I took German in high school in the 60s, my teacher kept criticizing me for having a Russian accent. I guess I was unconsciously imitating my grandparents' speech.
We had some German neighbors in Kansas City from the Black Sea area of the Ukraine, town of Einlage. (I thought Enders was in Russia proper, on the Volga). Most ethnic Germans west of the Dnieper retreated to the west toward the end of WWII. When the Germans had first advanced through the area in 1941, they were encouraged to stay as Volksdeutsche as part of the eventual scheme to Germanize the Ukraine.
The Soviets removed many ethnic Germans east of the Dnieper and almost all of the Volga Germans to Siberia, but they weren't able to remove those further west because of the speed of the Blitzkrieg (except young men, see below). In 1943 and 1944, as the Soviets pushed back, the remaining ethnic Germans left with the retreating Wehrmacht. Apparently, only a portion (mostly working age men, according to our neighbors) of the Dnieper Germans were resettled in Siberian gulags by the Soviets after the start of Barbarossa but before the German invasion arrived in their town.
After the war ended, many Ukrainian Germans emigrated to North America -- some to the US and some to Canada.
We had some German neighbors in Kansas City from the Black Sea area of the Ukraine, town of Einlage. (I thought Enders was in Russia proper, on the Volga). Most ethnic Germans west of the Dnieper retreated to the west toward the end of WWII. When the Germans had first advanced through the area in 1941, they were encouraged to stay as Volksdeutsche as part of the eventual scheme to Germanize the Ukraine.
The Soviets removed many ethnic Germans east of the Dnieper and almost all of the Volga Germans to Siberia, but they weren't able to remove those further west because of the speed of the Blitzkrieg (except young men, see below). In 1943 and 1944, as the Soviets pushed back, the remaining ethnic Germans left with the retreating Wehrmacht. Apparently, only a portion (mostly working age men, according to our neighbors) of the Dnieper Germans were resettled in Siberian gulags by the Soviets after the start of Barbarossa but before the German invasion arrived in their town.
After the war ended, many Ukrainian Germans emigrated to North America -- some to the US and some to Canada.
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