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Old 05-18-2016, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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If New York were the capital the working people of the country would be in sight.
Your premise is still riddled with holes. If New York were the capital, the same number of working people would be working for and/or because of the government. There's no way to know that New York as the capital wouldn't have developed the same way Washington did. Secondly, there is lots more to Washington beyond Capitol Hill and the Mall. If you haven't seen them, you haven't seen much of Washington, and that's no one's fault but your own.
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Old 05-18-2016, 09:59 PM
 
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Your premise is still riddled with holes. If New York were the capital, the same number of working people would be working for and/or because of the government. There's no way to know that New York as the capital wouldn't have developed the same way Washington did. Secondly, there is lots more to Washington beyond Capitol Hill and the Mall. If you haven't seen them, you haven't seen much of Washington, and that's no one's fault but your own.
The White House would have looked great in Central Park. Could have put the capitol on Government Island, keeping the scalawags from polluting the gene pool. Of course it would have made 9/11 so much easier.
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Old 05-25-2016, 03:29 PM
Status: "POTUS Trump promises - not hot air" (set 8 days ago)
 
Location: New York Area
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If you haven't seen them, you haven't seen much of Washington, and that's no one's fault but your own.
Any reason for the nasty tone?
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Old 05-25-2016, 04:01 PM
 
Location: TOVCCA
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It is my understanding that Washington was considered "neutral ground" as far as local influence. It was also located somewhat in the center of the US states as they were then. Similarly, many (but not all) state capitals today are far from the powerhouse cities within their states, and as close to the center of the state as possible.
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Old 05-29-2016, 06:12 AM
Status: "POTUS Trump promises - not hot air" (set 8 days ago)
 
Location: New York Area
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It is my understanding that Washington was considered "neutral ground" as far as local influence. It was also located somewhat in the center of the US states as they were then. Similarly, many (but not all) state capitals today are far from the powerhouse cities within their states, and as close to the center of the state as possible.
In terms of state capitals, some, but not all. Examples going your way are
  1. Augusta, Maine
  2. Albany, New York
  3. Montpelier, Vermont
  4. Trenton, New Jersey
  5. Lansing, Michigan
  6. Sacramento, California
  7. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
  8. Salem, Oregon
  9. Olympia, Washington
  10. Austin, Texas
  11. Baton Rouge, Louisiana
  12. Springfield, Illinois
  13. Jefferson City, Missouri
  14. Annapolis, Maryland
  15. Columbia, South Carolina
  16. Columbus, Ohio
  17. Juneau, Alaska
  18. Carson City, Nevada
  19. Austin, Texas
  20. Madison, Wisconsin
  21. St. Paul, Minnesota
  22. Dover, Delaware
  23. Frankfort, Kentucky
Contrary examples are:
  1. Boston, Massachusetts
  2. Providence, Rhode Island
  3. Indianapolis, Indiana
  4. Denver, Colorado
  5. Boise, Idaho
  6. Salt Lake City, Utah
  7. Jackson, Mississippi
  8. Nashville, Tennessee
  9. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
  10. Raleigh, North Carolina
  11. Little Rock, Arkansas
  12. Charleston, West Virginia
  13. Des Moines, Iowa
  14. Richmond, Virginia
  15. Atlanta, Georgia
  16. Honolulu, Hawaii
  17. Phoenix, Arizona
Limits of time prevented me from going through all of the states. I may have missed or duplicated one. And some of the states' population centers moved measurably from statehood but the capitals didn't. Or are neutral in the sense of the capital being one of several larger cities. Examples are:
  1. Tallahassee, Florida
  2. Montgomery, Alabama
  3. Helena, Montana
  4. Bismarck, North Dakota
  5. Pierre, South Dakota
  6. Topeka, Kansas
  7. Lincoln, Nebraska
  8. Cheyenne, Wyoming
  9. Santa Fe, New Mexico
  10. Concord, New Hampshire
So it's a very mixed bag. My point stands. Washington didn't exist at all without being the capital and may not have ever existed.
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Old 06-02-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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In terms of state capitals, some, but not all. Examples going your way are
  1. Augusta, Maine
  2. Albany, New York
  3. Montpelier, Vermont
  4. Trenton, New Jersey
  5. Lansing, Michigan
  6. Sacramento, California
  7. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
  8. Salem, Oregon
  9. Olympia, Washington
  10. Austin, Texas
  11. Baton Rouge, Louisiana
  12. Springfield, Illinois
  13. Jefferson City, Missouri
  14. Annapolis, Maryland
  15. Columbia, South Carolina
  16. Columbus, Ohio
  17. Juneau, Alaska
  18. Carson City, Nevada
  19. Austin, Texas
  20. Madison, Wisconsin
  21. St. Paul, Minnesota
  22. Dover, Delaware
  23. Frankfort, Kentucky
Contrary examples are:
  1. Boston, Massachusetts
  2. Providence, Rhode Island
  3. Indianapolis, Indiana
  4. Denver, Colorado
  5. Boise, Idaho
  6. Salt Lake City, Utah
  7. Jackson, Mississippi
  8. Nashville, Tennessee
  9. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
  10. Raleigh, North Carolina
  11. Little Rock, Arkansas
  12. Charleston, West Virginia
  13. Des Moines, Iowa
  14. Richmond, Virginia
  15. Atlanta, Georgia
  16. Honolulu, Hawaii
  17. Phoenix, Arizona
Limits of time prevented me from going through all of the states. I may have missed or duplicated one. And some of the states' population centers moved measurably from statehood but the capitals didn't. Or are neutral in the sense of the capital being one of several larger cities. Examples are:
  1. Tallahassee, Florida
  2. Montgomery, Alabama
  3. Helena, Montana
  4. Bismarck, North Dakota
  5. Pierre, South Dakota
  6. Topeka, Kansas
  7. Lincoln, Nebraska
  8. Cheyenne, Wyoming
  9. Santa Fe, New Mexico
  10. Concord, New Hampshire
So it's a very mixed bag. My point stands. Washington didn't exist at all without being the capital and may not have ever existed.
When they became state capitals OKC was second to Tulsa, Atlanta was second to Savannah, Nashville was 3rd to Chattanooga and Memphis, Even Providence was chosen because it was more inland than Newport. It is just that history intervened and these cities grew for various reasons.
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Old 06-02-2016, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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The US capital should be Kansas City.

Until the advent of railroads, the best spot for a US Capital is where travel by rivers was easiest. . The largest part of the USA is drained by the river Mississippi and its tributaries like the Ohio, Tennessee and Missouri Rivers. An excellent spot would have been Cairo Illinois! But Cape Gardeau , Memphis or Saint Louis would do just as well too. When railroads were built, most of the nations railroads along the heatland all radiated out of Chicago. In today's land of interstates KC with the East West I-70 and the N-S I-35 and the I-29 and I49. is not a bad choice! Either way the heart of the nation and its gateway to where we wanted to go was always the Show Me State.
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Old 02-09-2019, 06:48 AM
Status: "POTUS Trump promises - not hot air" (set 8 days ago)
 
Location: New York Area
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I am now reading Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow. I see why the capital was moved, i.e. assumption of the debts of the new states. However, Washington D.C. doesn't feel like a capital. New York City still does. I guess being capital of the world counts, though.
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:17 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Would we have been better off if the capital remained in a real city rather than the fake city that Washington, DC largely is?
No.

The main principle of the US Constitution is checks and balances, separation of powers, or what I like to call diffusion of power, over several layers of government and geographically.

Many state capitals, if not the majority, are also in minor cities in comparison to the city where economic power is concentrated.

It is also not by accident that after Franklin Roosevelt, there was a Constitutional amendment and no New Yorker was elected president again for many decades until very recently.


Brazil has a federal constitution and they follow a similar procedure, also Germany with Bonn and even Berlin nowadays is not a major economic center.


Just hope that the Constitution continues to function as designed because if one faction should ever come to power, I guarantee that you and hundreds of millions of other people will not be pleased with the result in quick time. Just ask the Venezuelans and scores of other peoples throughout history.

Good Luck!
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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One city being given that level of political, cultural and economic dominance over a country isn't necessarily a healthy situation. The disproportionate amount of power London wields over here has long been a cause for division. Germany seem to have a healthy balance with a few major cities enjoying dominance in different areas.
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