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Old 09-06-2016, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Because it was infested with Frenchmen.
We could've moved them... to Siberia for example.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:24 AM
 
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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As some said (well, not the one who said "it reeked of smelly cheese" although that might be a consideration) - France was still part of the important balance of power that kept Europe intact. Giving land up would increase the power of Prussia or Austria - all potential enemies to England. Russia also (who actually proposed to put the son of Alexander on the thrown as a "regent").
Really, the goal was primarily to remove Napoleon from power and reinstate the monarchy. That's basically it. So they put the fat Louis XVIII on the throne, someone who had been exiled in Britian for a decade and was easy to control
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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France did give up a lot of the land they claimed in 1814, which was all the land west of the Rhine from Rotterdam to Basel. They were forced to give this up and return to their old borders as the OP showed.

The cessation of the Rhenish provinces was never truly accepted by the French. It was understood that no one could be a leader of France would not reclaim them if the opportunity presented itself. Napoleon III made several proposals to Prussia in connection with the Austro-Prussian War that would restore Belgium and some of the Palatinate to France in exchange for giving Prussia a free hand to annex lands south of the Main provided the population gained was no more than that acquired by France.

Rejection of those suggestions played a part in drawing France and Germany into war in 1970.
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Old 09-08-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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We're talking about 1815.

Mechanized warfare did not exist. Battles were on separate fields
waged in the old way, apart from the civilian populations.

You don't just gallop in on horseback and try to move around 30 million
people, and you can't kill them with bombs.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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France did give up a lot of the land they claimed in 1814, which was all the land west of the Rhine from Rotterdam to Basel. They were forced to give this up and return to their old borders as the OP showed.

The cessation of the Rhenish provinces was never truly accepted by the French. It was understood that no one could be a leader of France would not reclaim them if the opportunity presented itself. Napoleon III made several proposals to Prussia in connection with the Austro-Prussian War that would restore Belgium and some of the Palatinate to France in exchange for giving Prussia a free hand to annex lands south of the Main provided the population gained was no more than that acquired by France.

Rejection of those suggestions played a part in drawing France and Germany into war in 1970.
The relevant period for including France to give up their land would be Pre-Napoleonic boundaries. The Napoleonic conquests and re-boundary drawing would not be seen as part of France by either the Loyalists or the Allies.

The Austrians lost land as well in the form of the Austrian Netherlands.
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Old 09-09-2016, 06:25 AM
 
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The relevant period for including France to give up their land would be Pre-Napoleonic boundaries. The Napoleonic conquests and re-boundary drawing would not be seen as part of France by either the Loyalists or the Allies.

The Austrians lost land as well in the form of the Austrian Netherlands.
Understood.

The pre-Napoleonic boundaries contained Frenchmen and pretty much only Frenchmen. Giving them to a non-French country would only create a problem.

I don't think the Bourbon restoration could have had any prospect of success if it began with a country shorn of Alsace, Lorraine, Champagne, etc. Even ceding the west bank of the Rhine didn't sit too well.
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Understood.

The pre-Napoleonic boundaries contained Frenchmen and pretty much only Frenchmen. Giving them to a non-French country would only create a problem.

I don't think the Bourbon restoration could have had any prospect of success if it began with a country shorn of Alsace, Lorraine, Champagne, etc. Even ceding the west bank of the Rhine didn't sit too well.
I included the Loyalist because Nappy was a Monster to them. Interesting he was considered as such and at least by 1915, or within 100 years, was rehabilitated as one of France's great leaders to inclusion by those outside of France.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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You answered your own question in bold face
To maintain a Balance of Power.
That, along with the fact that Napoleon doesn't appear to have left as bad of a stench as, say, Hitler did 130 years later.
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Old 09-20-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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So they put the fat Louis XVIII on the throne, someone who had been exiled in Britian for a decade and was easy to control


Thus dooming the Bourbon restoration from the start; as the quote goes of Louis XVIII and his family at that time: They had learned nothing and forgotten nothing.


One would have hoped Louis XVIII would have observed and learned a thing or two about constitutional monarchy during his time in GB, but sadly that wasn't the case apparently. His and successive attempts to restore the anciene regime in whole or part doomed any idea of Bourbon restoration to failure.
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