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I don't know about that..
One thing is clear- things back then were set up with a male dominated world.. That is.. Until Elizabeth became queen to be the Longest reigning Queen on record until the current " Elizabeth 2 "
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I don't know about that..
One thing is clear- things back then were set up with a male dominated world.. That is.. Until Elizabeth became queen to be the Longest reigning Queen on record until the current " Queen Mum "
Point of order...Elizabeth 2 is a reigning Queen, not a Queen Mother. Although she is a mother.
That's a title reserved for the mothers of a reigning monarch as the Queen Mother is no longer a queen consort, wife of a reigning King, because of his death.
Point of order...Elizabeth 2 is a reigning Queen, not a Queen Mother. Although she is a mother.
That's a title reserved for the mothers of a reigning monarch as the Queen Mother is no longer a queen consort, wife of a reigning King, because of his death.
( had just realized what I had typed and was editing it )
Correct !
I don't know about that..
One thing is clear- things back then were set up with a male dominated world.. That is.. Until Elizabeth became queen to be the Longest reigning Queen on record until the current " Elizabeth 2 "
No seriously, look at her profile. I don't make that kind of accusation lightly. But she's genuinely deserving of the term "feminzai".
That's a title reserved for the mothers of a reigning monarch as the Queen Mother is no longer a queen consort, wife of a reigning King, because of his death.
You have to have been the mother of a reigning monarch and also the former wife of a reigning monarch. Queen Victoria's mother did not have the title because her husband was the Duke of Kent and Strathearne, and not a monarch.
That is.. Until Elizabeth became queen to be the Longest reigning Queen on record until the current " Elizabeth 2 "
Queen Victoria's reign was longer than Elizabeth I's, and Elizabeth II is obviously longer than both.
Topic? None of them were particularly lucky, given who they had to marry and that whole "produce heirs!" sword hanging over their heads. But I think ugly little Anne of Cleves probably was luckiest (when grading on this curve) since she got a quick exit and got to keep her head.
It was hard to set aside Katherine of Aragon. But killing Anne Boleyn seemed like a brilliant solution. And as Henry got older and sicker he got nastier, and it became easier to behead people...so in my opinion, Katherine Parr had the worst of it. One wrong move and she would have lost her head, too. Darn near did, but she found a way to manipulate Henry, like the rest of the court.
Wouldn't say "easier" to kill/behead; just Henry used the options available.
Anne Boleyn was his subject, not a foreign princess, *and* she was marred to Henry under English law only along with that of the "new" church. The only way to get legally rid of a wife is divorce or annulment, but that would still have left princess Elizabeth as legal heir. Since AB would *NOT* consent to a either of the above, and Henry already had his eyes on Jane Seymour, she had to go. That left the only other option in getting rid of a wife; relieving her of her being, to wit; death.
By dragging AB through the courts for treason she could be stripped of her rank, title, styles and all claims to the throne acquired via marriage, and the princess Elizabeth could be declared a bastard and her rights to throne removed legally as well. One of the first things Queen Mary did upon succeeding to the throne was have the documents Henry forced her to sign declaring her a bastard revoked and nullified. Elizabeth OTOH never did and thus she legally was then and still is a bastard and could not inherit. Had it not been for Henry's will Elizabeth would likely never have been queen. It also explains why Elizabeth feared Mary, Queen of Scots and ultimately accepted (if not ordered) her judicial murder.
Katherine Howard was a different story. She committed much of the crimes her cousin AB was accused of; her family should have known better. Cuckolding a king is not something many took lightly. First there is the matter same to all men; wounded pride. Which in Henry's case given his age and other aliments reminded the king he was no longer "Jack the Lad" far as the ladies were concerned. Remember he only married Anne of Cleves not that long before because every single other royal princess in Europe turned the kings offers down flat.
Having got shot of the "Flanders Mare", Henry saw his chance at youthful masculinity of old with a fresh young thing; Katherine Howard. To find she was not "fresh" and also others had and or were having her must have not only hurt Henry deeply, but sent him into a hot rage. And when Henry VIII got angry everyone had better watch out.
Even if he wanted to Katherine Howard could not have been saved from her destiny. Especially after the treatment of Anne Boleyn. The only difference is that AB had a mouth on her and thought who she was. KH OTOH was just a simple young naïf who probably liked sex more than she should have.
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