100th Anniversary of Russian Revolution (influence, England, general, 60's)
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Ideologies are smokescreens, but industrialization is often brought by the sword (ask the Americans in 1861-1865) and the states that emerged from that early industrialization era may, and in fact do, continue to need the sword to maintain their identities.
Everyday in the world we see organisms, human or otherwise, in a state of change in their struggle for survival in one form or another and prepared to fight to the death.
Good Luck!
Russia was already industrializing under the Czar, and had some of the best engineers in Europe, due to the fact that their engineering schools had been set up by Germans. There was no "sword" necessary for industrialization.
There was a Bolshevik revolution in March? Is that why they call it the Great OCTOBER Socialist Revolution? There was a coup d'etat in February .... Resulting in gutless pseudo government that had no real power and was overtaken by bolsheviks.
But revolution in March? Never heard of it in 38 years of life and education in the USSR.
You're right, I missed that. I must add another reason it's not being celebrated or marked in Russia in any way, to my list:
Russia is better off anyway, much better than most western countries. Bolsheviks brought the country from WWI ruins back to glory, USSR had become the greatest power in the world.
Western society is rotten, it stinks, economy model driven by greed and overconsumption eventually will lead West to the end. It's Western consumer lifestyle which led the planet to such dramatic levels of pollution.
Right. And there was no corruption, rot, or false economy in Soviet times, nor is there any in today's Russia. Moral superiority rules.
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The problem though - the West drags all world to the end - look at all these imperialistic military invasions, bombings, sponsored foreign government overthrows, etc.western imperialism needs more and more markets to survive, otherwise everything is collapsing and they go into recession.
It's West who's currently behind all the suffering in this world, it cannot leave anyone alone, currently Muslims are the genocide target, because their religion contradicts with core Western "values": freedom to prostitute, to consume drugs, to engage in debauchery, to rob people via usury.
The western society will eventually die off, but unfortunately it brings enormous suffering to the World.
Russia was already industrializing under the Czar, and had some of the best engineers in Europe, due to the fact that their engineering schools had been set up by Germans. There was no "sword" necessary for industrialization.
Sure. Russia experienced a very rapid industrialisation in the late 1800's, but there were no even remotely trickle-down economy, or any emphasis on improving the conditions of the workers.
It's no surprise that the Grand Duchy was the most wealthy area in the Empire after Saint Petersburg. And even here in 1905 the income inequality was higher than it has ever been before or has been. The Finnish Senate had already reduced the working hours to 11, but after the revolution in April it declared that a 8-hour work day will be implemented. In the Empire, there were no real reforms before the October Revolution.
Sure. Russia experienced a very rapid industrialisation in the late 1800's, but there were no even remotely trickle-down economy, or any emphasis on improving the conditions of the workers.
It's no surprise that the Grand Duchy was the most wealthy area in the Empire after Saint Petersburg. And even here in 1905 the income inequality was higher than it has ever been before or has been. The Finnish Senate had already reduced the working hours to 11, but after the revolution in April it declared that a 8-hour work day will be implemented. In the Empire, there were no real reforms before the October Revolution.
Very interesting, Ariete. Thank you. It's always interesting to hear the perspective on events from Russia's immediate neighbor, which had a ringside seat to it all.
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Anyone think Russia would have been better off had the White Army won? No commie evil Bolsheviks in power!
Why, surely the gentleman does jest. Der Bolshevik Comrade replaced by der Oligarch while millions are homeless and hungry; no meds, nurses are "cash girls", BMWs and Mercs driven by billionaires, oh I could go on till Putin leaves...
...which will indeed result in civil war, if not even in WWIII.
Why, surely the gentleman does jest. Der Bolshevik Comrade replaced by der Oligarch while millions are homeless and hungry; no meds, nurses are "cash girls", BMWs and Mercs driven by billionaires, oh I could go on till Putin leaves...
...which will indeed result in civil war, if not even in WWIII.
I'm not sure why you're dragging Putin into the picture, in response to the question. Putin is a product of the Soviet system. Who knows what would have happened if the Revolution hadn't succeeded? Or if the opposition had managed to establish a state in the Far East, for example?
The situation in Russia is today quite similar to the situation in 1917. A rich oligarchy elite above the law, and then there's the rest. There's the bureaucracy where individuals try to profit from trickle-down economists. This include the law enforcement.
Then there's the vor v zakone, the Russian mafias. Some of those are former KGB agents, Spetsnaz, or common criminals. These have vast networks in Russia and all over Europe, and work for the oligarchy or bureaucracy when they can benefit.
Finally there's the people. The common Russian. He has no legal right or privileges if he is targeted by any of those groups mentioned before. There's a saying in Russian which goes like "stay low as the grass". It means that keep a low profile and you won't be targeted.
It was February revolution. This is how it was known in its country of origin for the entire time of its existence. Why it became March revolution in western media beats me.
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