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Old 04-02-2017, 05:00 AM
 
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Not exactly. When Lafayette returned 50 years after the American Revolu tion, he remarked upon how much lighter the Virginia slave population had become.
Yes but Lafayette was hanging out with Jefferson at Monticello where, besides Sally's kids by Jefferson, visitors had carte blanche to the women. Lots of bright skin there and one boy the spitting image of his dad.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:54 AM
 
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Is this a morality question or a geographic demographic question?

Considering Louisiana was FRENCH before we bought it and the French were some of the most brutal slave traders and slavers in the world, with a head start on America.

They only reason there were no slaves in France is they outlawed them because they didn't want race mixing. They had very specific laws about the temporary entrance of slaves into France and the shipping etc.



French Slavery
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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Meanwhile among the brutal vikings in Norway slavery was abolished in 1274 in Norway, and in 1335 in Sweden (Finland) prohibiting also indentured servitude.
Don't deny they were slave traders and slave owners. Well into the 1800s.



BTW Indentured servitude saved the lives of Europeans who came to America or sent their children rather than starve and die in Ireland.

Sweden most certainly DID have indentured servants.

Sweden had their own little workaround so they could appear holier-than-thou but werent. They had farmworkers up until 1945 paid not in cash but in "kind" (living arrangements) with CONTRACTS.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Kw...vitude&f=false
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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Don't deny they were slave traders and slave owners. Well into the 1800s.
Well, I didn't.
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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That's comparatively little. The U.S black group is still essentially African and has actually grown in number over the years. This is due to the fact that there was little exogamy.

In Latin America most of the black people mixed to such an extent that they completely disappeared in colonial times.
You say they 'completely disappeared' as if aliens abducted them. Their descendants make up a huge demographic there, they just don't CARE how much of their DNA came from specific peoples.

The Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Dumnonii, Belgae, Normans, and dozens of other people's didn't disappear from medieval England, they just intermarried until it was pointless to keep track of previous nationalities. Today they just consider themselves English.
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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Yes but Lafayette was hanging out with Jefferson at Monticello where, besides Sally's kids by Jefferson, visitors had carte blanche to the women. Lots of bright skin there and one boy the spitting image of his dad.
Considering that Sally Hemings was only 25% African I would certainly expect many of the residents of Monticello would be lighter than the field slaves down in the coastal Carolinas.
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Old 04-02-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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Yes but Lafayette was hanging out with Jefferson at Monticello where, besides Sally's kids by Jefferson, visitors had carte blanche to the women. Lots of bright skin there and one boy the spitting image of his dad.
Lol! Could be.
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Old 04-02-2017, 03:17 PM
 
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Considering that Sally Hemings was only 25% African I would certainly expect many of the residents of Monticello would be lighter than the field slaves down in the coastal Carolinas.
I just finished a good, if tedious non-fiction about the waning years of Jefferson. (not disagreeing with you) Twilight at Monticello, I think it's called. 1st edition, too, if anyone is interested.

One of his grandkids visited upstate NY and noticed the lack of slaves yet the fields were healthy and productive and the atmosphere was lighter (no pun). Coming back to the south, there was an unhealthy feel to it, attributed to slavery.

One cool thing, since slaves that were freed in VA had to leave the state, one person in the book, packed his entire household and moved to a free state, where he then freed his slaves and gave them each a parcel of land. They were so surprised and grateful they helped the guy set up his own house before turning to their own.

Jefferson left, in his will, instructions to free his carpenter and gardener. He gave two of his children (by Sally) as slaves to apprentice with the carpenter, to be freed on their 21st b'day. No mention in the will of the carpenter's family, wife and 3 kids (two very young children) who with most of Jefferson's slaves were divided and sold to pay his huge debts. It was a horrible and inhumane practice.

Indentured servants were sold for much less than black slaves. Because of lower value they were not kept as healthy.
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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You say they 'completely disappeared' as if aliens abducted them. Their descendants make up a huge demographic there, they just don't CARE how much of their DNA came from specific peoples.
They disappeared in the sense that there are few identifiable black people left, and they were subsequently forgotten about and almost completely written out of history.

This happened in Argentina as well, which once had a small black minority that was all but wiped out from intermarriage.
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Old 04-04-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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Well,perhaps for the most part except in areas with slave intensive areas, which are in Brazil - Bahia, parts of Colombia, and a few other areas. But yes, compared to the US, they are somewhat assimilated.
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