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Old 04-28-2017, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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The economics are much simpler than that. Every time you add a billion people to the population, you have to add enough to the food supply to feed another billion people. The only way to do that is to clear more land for agriculture. Successful agriculture depends on wiping out ecological diversity. Check this book out from a library and read it.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/end-wild
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Old 04-28-2017, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I'm in the midst of reading Celluloid Closet, which delves into the Hayes Commission and the censorship that went on from the birth of film to the 1950's, lots of lies in this book belonging to history. Small wonder why Men are so messed up today, perpetuating that rugged masculine myth.

Clark Gable refused to cry in Gone With The Wind because he was afraid it would tarnish his image! And how many others refused to cry on screen?
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Old 04-28-2017, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Southwest
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I'm in the midst of reading Celluloid Closet, which delves into the Hayes Commission and the censorship that went on from the birth of film to the 1950's, lots of lies in this book belonging to history. Small wonder why Men are so messed up today, perpetuating that rugged masculine myth.

How does it tie into men being messed up?
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Old 04-29-2017, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I'm in the midst of reading Celluloid Closet, which delves into the Hayes Commission and the censorship that went on from the birth of film to the 1950's, lots of lies in this book belonging to history. Small wonder why Men are so messed up today, perpetuating that rugged masculine myth.

Clark Gable refused to cry in Gone With The Wind because he was afraid it would tarnish his image! And how many others refused to cry on screen?
And the above is history's "greatest lie?"
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Old 04-30-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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- Denying that Mexicans were white.

- They are rewriting civil rights history fabricating "Latino" contributions, even though most Mexican or other "Spanish-origin" organizations were saying that they were white and wanted nothing to do with the civil rights movement at the time. Mexicans were actually segregationists that did more to fight against the civil rights movement than anything else.

- Claiming that "Latinos" were subject to the same or similar discrimination that black Americans faced before the civil rights movement.

- Ignoring and/or covering up Mexican or Spanish complicity in Jim Crow and the racism of the day. People will have you believe that the Spanish were a "downtrodden" minority group, when in reality they were the perpetrators of racism.
But, what you say, is contradicted by this man's experience

https://military.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Z._Longoria,_Jr.

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Old 04-30-2017, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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One of the biggest lies being told today is something I call "Latino Historical Revisionism". I've spoken about it so often here that I probably sound like a broken record.

In recent years, now that we have a large "Hispanic/Latino" ethnic group, lots of people are attempting to write American history projecting the "hispanic/latino" concept onto the past, and they're creating all manner of historical myths and fantasies that are completely untrue:

- Pretending that the notion of "hispanic/latino" ethnicity existed - even though nobody before the 80s would have even known what that was.

- They are completely rewriting the history of Texas and the south west pretending that Mexicans and other "Spanish origin" people were minorities.

- Denying that Mexicans were white.

- They are rewriting civil rights history fabricating "Latino" contributions, even though most Mexican or other "Spanish-origin" organizations were saying that they were white and wanted nothing to do with the civil rights movement at the time. Mexicans were actually segregationists that did more to fight against the civil rights movement than anything else.

- Claiming that "Latinos" were subject to the same or similar discrimination that black Americans faced before the civil rights movement.

- Ignoring and/or covering up Mexican or Spanish complicity in Jim Crow and the racism of the day. People will have you believe that the Spanish were a "downtrodden" minority group, when in reality they were the perpetrators of racism.

I could go on and on.
Could? You have. In countless posts.

As I noted much earlier, this thread is not a history discussion but an invitation to air their pet obsessions and grievances dressed up as history.

That you use it to rail against basically everything good anyone every says about Hispanics, as well to try and deny any offered examples of negative behavior toward Hispanics, comes as no surprise at all.
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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Could? You have. In countless posts.

As I noted much earlier, this thread is not a history discussion but an invitation to air their pet obsessions and grievances dressed up as history.

That you use it to rail against basically everything good anyone every says about Hispanics, as well to try and deny any offered examples of negative behavior toward Hispanics, comes as no surprise at all.
Everything I'm saying is true though. Every bit of it. The funny thing about it is that earlier history was completely honest about this. Latino historical revisionism is new, and it has come about in the last 10-15 years with all these new stories they are making up that attempts to write "Latinos" into the civil rights struggle.

Here's an excerpt from 'A People's History of the United States' (Howard Zinn, 1980), which is a book that is meant to tell American History from the perspective of downtrodden minority groups.

Zinn is completely forward about Mexican Americans:

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Mexican Americans did not object to the segregation of Blacks or challenge the assumptions of White supremacy. On the contrary, they supported strict segregation of Whites and Blacks in the schools and in public facilities. The basis for their claim for social equality was that they were also White...

A group of Mexican Americans, mostly urban and middle class, founded their own organization in 1929 in Corpus Cristi, the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC)...LULAC sought to set the racial record strait. In a 1932 article in the LULAC News titled "Are Texas-Mexicans 'Americans'?" the author asserted that Mexican Americans were "the first white race to inhabit this vast empire of ours." Another member of LULAC boasted that Mexican Americans were "not only a part and parcel but as well the sum and substance of the white race."

As self-constituted Whites, LULAC members considered it "an insult" to be associated with Blacks or other "colored" races. In 1936 a LULAC official deplored the practice of hiring "Negro musicians" to play at Mexican bailes because it led to "illicit relations" between Black men and "ill-informed Mexican girls." He urged fellow LULAC memebers to "tell these Negroes that we are not going to permit our manhood and womanhood to mingle with them on an equal social basis".

Not surprisingly, LULAC turned its back on opportunities to forge ties with the NAACP during its own civil rights battles in the 1940s
My family in Texas, remembers when Mexicans were white. They weren't just white on paper, they were white everyday, and every bit as racist as Anglo-Americans.

As much as people today, would like to create the narrative of "Latinos" as righteous freedom fighters that helped in the civil rights movements. That's really a fantasy. They were white-as-the-klans-robe and did more to fight against it.
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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RFK,MLK, Watergate, 9/11
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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Women are oppressed and have no power. Especially the most privledged class of people ever to exist in the history of the planet: our ms side here in the US. Yet they complain...
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Default Wow! This is the History Forum??

I thought I'd wander in here and be illuminated..read musings about great men and women...pivotal times--and what do I get? Misogyny, racist rhetoric and tin-hat conspiracy theories.

Thanks guys..for bursting that bubble!
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