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Old 05-07-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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Czechoslovakia produced the Avia S-199 which was practically a worse version (using the Junkers Jumo engine used in the Ju-87 and Ju-88) of the late Bf-109G-6. This is the version Israel bought. While I understand the irony that Israel acquired nazi planes built by commie Czechs, it was pretty much the only thing they could get at that point. The Avia was in every way inferior to the late Bf-109-G6 and totally obsolete in 1948.

But as said earlier, using enemy and captured equipment was commonplace. France captured a lot of Panther tanks and used them for several years after WWII.


Brno, the industrian military complex that gave rise to the Bren, Czechoslovakia. They, Romania and also Spain sold to EVERYONE with a fake end user document.

Spain and many other countries had their own versions (with licence) of Ju-87. Finalnd too, I believe. They were used until 1947 by Iberia, and I believe that were replaced by 12 American dc-3 that ran out of gas in Spain and were not returned.
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Old 05-07-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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Brno, the industrian military complex that gave rise to the Bren, Czechoslovakia. They, Romania and also Spain sold to EVERYONE with a fake end user document.

Spain and many other countries had their own versions (with licence) of Ju-87. Finalnd too, I believe. They were used until 1947 by Iberia, and I believe that were replaced by 12 American dc-3 that ran out of gas in Spain and were not returned.

The CAS doctrine wasn't a part of the Finnish Air Force, so all Ju-87's were used here by Germans. Finland used the Bf-109G-2/G-6, Ju-88 and Do-17 though.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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Yes, Spain also had a fleet of German Junkers, in fact they were instrumental in the war - to cross the strait, along with Saboias.

And the Kondor Legion, also instrumental.
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Old 05-16-2017, 07:10 PM
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I recently came across references to the acquisition and use of Me109 fighter derivatives used by Israel in its war for independence. This was news to me. I wonder if other Forum members have additional information.

Here are some links.

Israel's first air battle

When Israel flew Nazi Planes – HeritageDaily – Heritage & Archaeology News

Four Israeli Aircraft Stopped A Huge Arab Army In 1948 - Business Insider
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They used whatever weapons they could get on the cheap. German fighters like the ME 109. American B 17 bombers. British rifles and submachine guns. Not to mention Jewish volunteer fighters from all over the world including Americans.
I read a book called The Pledge by Leonard Slater on the topic of Israel's circumvention of the U.S.'s embargo of sales to the incipient State of Israel. Only an unlikely group of renegade countries, including Communist Czechoslovakia, Panama, Italy, France and Mexico kept it alive.
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Old 12-30-2023, 11:33 PM
 
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one of the early fighter pilots for Israel was a man named Milton Rubenfeld, he flew for the RAF and USAAF in WWII, then was one of the first pilot for the new Israel airforce. He flew such aircraft as the Spitfire, C-47, and the S-199 (Czech version of the Me-109). When his service with Israel was done he returned home the US and started a family. While you may never heard of Milton Rubenfeld, You know his son, Paul Reubens, aka Pee Wee Herman.
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Old 12-31-2023, 09:56 AM
 
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And what MBB had parked outside the corporate offices in Augsburg was kept airworthy.
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Old 01-02-2024, 10:31 AM
 
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In Libya everyone and his brother seemed to have a WW1 era bolt action Italian Carcano rilfle hiding away (yeah, the same type of weapons used to assassinate JFK) during the most recent uprising
Alleged weapon.
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Old 01-02-2024, 10:44 AM
 
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Alleged weapon.
What weapon do you believe was used to kill JFK.
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Old 01-03-2024, 08:33 AM
 
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What weapon do you believe was used to kill JFK.

The one nobody can find or find a casing or a shooter for.
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