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Old 03-08-2018, 11:26 PM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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Didn't know the Scotch-Irish were for slavery...interesting. A mother's goodbye to her son on the Eagles Wing show. Best on full size as its rather small.
I have a feeling that the statement Scotch-Irish planters and the English Colonists surely refers to men of means and wealth as opposed to the average man who came to America for all the reasons that have been mentioned previously...to escape poverty, religious persecution, and English rule.

The article below (very lengthy) supports the fact that they were against slavery and wanted it abolished.

The Melting Pot: The ethnic group that blended

In Virginia also, the Scotch-Irish of the Shenandoah Valley strongly supported a constitution remarkable for its break with tradition—one that abolished quitrents, entails, primogeniture, and the slave trade, and guaranteed religious liberty. (It must be noted, however, that leadership for all these liberal measures came from Jefferson, Madison, and other English Virginians).

https://www.americanheritage.com/content/scotch-irish
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Old 03-09-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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I have a feeling that the statement Scotch-Irish planters and the English Colonists surely refers to men of means and wealth as opposed to the average man who came to America for all the reasons that have been mentioned previously...to escape poverty, religious persecution, and English rule.

The article below (very lengthy) supports the fact that they were against slavery and wanted it abolished.

The Melting Pot: The ethnic group that blended

In Virginia also, the Scotch-Irish of the Shenandoah Valley strongly supported a constitution remarkable for its break with tradition—one that abolished quitrents, entails, primogeniture, and the slave trade, and guaranteed religious liberty. (It must be noted, however, that leadership for all these liberal measures came from Jefferson, Madison, and other English Virginians).

https://www.americanheritage.com/content/scotch-irish
HomeIsWhere good point about the rich being the more likely people to support slavery. In the 1800s in Ireland it was the rich landlords who were responsible for the emigration of Scots and English to America. The figure of 175,000 was given. The figure given for those Scots-Irish Presbyterians who went in the 1700s was 250,000. So altogether a big movement to America.

I'm going to read your link now. Here is the link to the Scotch-Irish and Christmas I mentioned earlier.

https://nutfieldgenealogy.blogspot.c...christmas.html
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Old 03-09-2018, 01:29 PM
 
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Your link was a good read and he does give a fairly balanced account of the people and those times. Basically the Ulster-Scots have always been between a rock and a hard place and that continues even to this day.

There has always been a to and fro between Ulster and Scotland so when the plantation took place it was strongest in Ulster. One Ulster-Scots poet called his poem The Homecoming.

Leyburn says they were not an aesthetic people. I don't know if Edgar Allen Poe or John Steinback are counted as non aesthetic people and there were poets and artists in Ulster too but maybe he was referring only to America.

A link to a James Webb talk

https://www.c-span.org/video/?184077...shaped-america
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Old 03-09-2018, 02:07 PM
 
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I have a feeling that the statement Scotch-Irish planters and the English Colonists surely refers to men of means and wealth as opposed to the average man who came to America for all the reasons that have been mentioned previously...to escape poverty, religious persecution, and English rule.

The article below (very lengthy) supports the fact that they were against slavery and wanted it abolished.

The Melting Pot: The ethnic group that blended

In Virginia also, the Scotch-Irish of the Shenandoah Valley strongly supported a constitution remarkable for its break with tradition—one that abolished quitrents, entails, primogeniture, and the slave trade, and guaranteed religious liberty. (It must be noted, however, that leadership for all these liberal measures came from Jefferson, Madison, and other English Virginians).

https://www.americanheritage.com/content/scotch-irish
Support for abolishing the international slave trade did not equate to abolitionist sentiment. The only significant importation of African slaves into the former thirteen colonies after the Revolution was into South Carolina. That traffic was outlawed in the other states (with the possible exception of Georgia at times) before the Constitution went into effect, and it was only to prevent South Carolina from staying outside the new union and serving as a toehold for continued English occupation that protections for the continued African slave trade were written into the Constitution.
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Old 03-10-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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The Melting Pot: The ethnic group that blended

In Virginia also, the Scotch-Irish of the Shenandoah Valley strongly supported a constitution remarkable for its break with tradition—one that abolished quitrents, entails, primogeniture, and the slave trade, and guaranteed religious liberty. (It must be noted, however, that leadership for all these liberal measures came from Jefferson, Madison, and other English Virginians).

https://www.americanheritage.com/content/scotch-iris

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Support for abolishing the international slave trade did not equate to abolitionist sentiment. The only significant importation of African slaves into the former thirteen colonies after the Revolution was into South Carolina. That traffic was outlawed in the other states (with the possible exception of Georgia at times) before the Constitution went into effect, and it was only to prevent South Carolina from staying outside the new union and serving as a toehold for continued English occupation that protections for the continued African slave trade were written into the Constitution.
As some emigrants from Northern Ireland (English, Scots and 'Irish') were themselves indentured servants I think it may be safe to say they had a great deal of sentiment otherwise I can't imagine why they would bother to support it. Their religious and humanitarian 'sentiments' were no doubt a great impetus for their respect and support of freedom for all people.

The first settlers who came to the Province of Carolina at the port of Charleston in 1670 were mostly wealthy planters and their slaves coming from the English Caribbean colony of Barbados.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Carolina
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:35 AM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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The 'things' you discover' when you're 'justa lookin around'...

As always if this is has been previously posted, especially if I posted it ); sincere apologies. But it is a good look see.

The Appalachians: The Scotch-Irish / Scots-Irish

Forged In Ulster - Published on May 22, 2014

From the documentary The Appalachians. The Presbyterian Scots-Irish from Ulster in the north of Ireland influenced this region of America with their music, religion, moonshine, independent spirit & love of freedom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHOyYQ0Wm_I

P.S. Please visit http://www.forgedinulster.com

ETA: Read the comments of viewers of this video, very touching.

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Old 03-14-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Have just been watching part of a movie on TCM...The First Texan and three characters of a Scotch-Irish/Ulster-Scots background appeared in it. Andrew Jackson, Sam Houston and Davy Crockett.

The US Consul visited the Ulster Scots Centre in Belfast and was presented with a picture of Sam Houston.
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Old 03-14-2018, 03:59 PM
 
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The picture which was presented to the US Consul by Billy Kennedy was the Battle of San Jacinto

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Old 03-14-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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From Scotland to Ulster


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEqc...ature=youtu.be
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Old 03-15-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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Ulster and from Ulster to America




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOXp...ature=youtu.be


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm54...ature=youtu.be


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wL1n01mXI
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