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Old 06-17-2018, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Macon, Georgia
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AP World History wants to adopt history began in 1450, but forget about the fact that it was the moors whom brought Europeans out of the Dark Ages. All this is done to advance the agenda of helping the masses forget. Europe just didn't pop up at a heightened society sense out of nowhere. This is gibberish.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-are-furious/
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Old 06-17-2018, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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AP World History wants to adopt history began in 1450, but forget about the fact that it was the moors whom brought Europeans out of the Dark Ages. All this is done to advance the agenda of helping the masses forget. Europe just didn't pop up at a heightened society sense out of nowhere. This is gibberish.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-are-furious/
Well, if you read the article the problem turns out to be a surfeit of material which the course did not have time to cover. From this you have extrapolated a conspiracy to make the masses forget that the Moors made any contributions to western culture. That the course is also eliminating the contributions of the Greeks and Romans didn't seem to register with you.

What I learned in school represents only a tiny portion of the history I know, most of it has been the product of independent reading. If you want to have a working grasp of history, you will need to do way more reading than anything assigned to you in school. And if you don't, what does it matter what gets included and what gets left out for those who aren't going to be pursuing matters any further?
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Old 06-17-2018, 09:46 PM
 
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Most learned history is going to come from what you yourself want to learn about on your own. I had / have a fascination with the subject (both content and skill sets) that i majored in History for undergrad. But even then I din't truly begin to study or learn history until I began to read on my own. To that end even as a history grad I can assure you that knowing the moors helped Europe get out of the dark ages is not going to show up in any job interview any person ever sits down for.

and btw it's MOOPS not moors ;-)
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Old 06-18-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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World History is already an unwieldy topic that by necessity leaves out much. My high school American History course was a pretty surface-skimming survey of things that left an enormous amount of its topic entirely unmentioned. And consider how tiny American History is compared to World History.

Really, all they're proposing is to not cover 100% of pre-1450 history, rather than do what they do now and not cover 99.9+% of that time.
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Old 06-19-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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High school history, even at the AP level, can best be summarized as "gibberish." The hope is that it's taught well enough to spark interest, not kill it. Unfortunately, the murder rate of high school history is into the uncounted millions.

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To that end even as a history grad I can assure you that knowing the moors helped Europe get out of the dark ages is not going to show up in any job interview any person ever sits down for.
Ah, yes, all education is about a job ticket, and all education not STEM is thus an idle hobby.
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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To put it in perspective, ask any high school age person to name their eight great-grandparents and what they did in life, and you will be met by blank stares. Ask them to name their grandparents and MAYBE you stand a chance of an answer.

The contributions of the Mauri or Moors were primarily of importance to the Iberian peninsula, whereas the trading acumen and guidance of the Venetian Doges led to the wealth that fueled the Renaissance and marked the beginning of "enlightenment" (a term I am not comfortable with, but is in common use). Much of the knowledge of the Moors was not original to them, but passed down from Babylonia, Persia, India, and ancient Greece. Even the so-called Arabian numbers that replaced the Roman Numerals are Indian in origin. To claim the Moors led Europe out of the "dark ages" is fallacious. The term "dark ages" itself is questionable, pejorative, and the dates vary according to which religion you subscribe to. Science was generally quashed in Islam just as much as it was by the early Catholic church leaders.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Just read, read and read. On your own. In a high tech society history is given only a cursory glance in today’s educational institutions. It’s largely irrelevant in current academic circles like Latin or penmanship.
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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AP World History wants to adopt history began in 1450,...
Only an incredibly poor teacher, devoid of knowledge and imagination, would be incapable of teaching World History from the rise of Sumer 7,000 years ago to the near-Present.

It's like the moronic imbecile who spent 6 freaking weeks "teaching" the US Civil War in US History. Making students memorize battles and casualty figures, only to regurgitate that on quizzes and tests is neither teaching nor learning.

If someone can't teach the US Civil War in 3-4 days, they should be fired, and black-listed from ever teaching anywhere in the US.

History is conceptual in nature, and best taught as concepts, which goes a lot farther in developing and expanding minds than memorizing useless dates and figures.

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The term "dark ages" itself is questionable, pejorative, and the dates vary according to which religion you subscribe to.
The term "Dark Ages" is perfectly suitable for the period starting with the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the Enlightenment.

Serfdom -- a nice way of saying slavery -- was a step backward, not forward. Feudalism was a step backward, not forward. Politically, socially, economically and culturally, everything went backward, not forward.
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Old 06-21-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Only an incredibly poor teacher, devoid of knowledge and imagination, would be incapable of teaching World History from the rise of Sumer 7,000 years ago to the near-Present.

That statement is a little bit over the top. In an AP class, with an engaged group of students, it could be difficult to cover as much as one would like. If the class is asleep it might be easier to cover 7,000 years. Unless the students plan on pursuing a History degree, this is probably the first and only chance to encounter Cicero or Marcus Aurelius or Machiavelli or Zoroaster. Anyway, they can pick up those four days on the Civil War on PBS.


“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.”
Marcus Aurelius
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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I always thought that High School World History was taught over a period of 2 years, 9th and 10th grades. The ancient world starting with agricultural/tribal age, then Sparta/Greeks, Egyptian, Roman Empire, Eastern Dynasties, Ancient Indian Civilizations in the Americas, etc. in the first year. 11th Grade is American History.
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