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Old 07-31-2018, 08:39 PM
 
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I am not saying Robert E. Lee was 100% pure evil, nor am I saying that he didn't have any military skill. I am saying that he was no saint and committed/permitted many evil acts. Let's end the Robert E. Lee myth that he was some sort of moral beacon that should be placed on a pillar for us to look up to today.

-Robert E. Lee personally broke up the Custis-Lee family tradition of keeping slave families together. Lee purposefully split up his slave families - every single slave family on his plantation was broken up, but one...even a couple that had been together since their Mount Vernon days on his wife's side of the family.

-Robert E. Lee argued that slavery was good, because blacks need instruction on how to be a good race until they learn.

-After the US Civil War Robert E. Lee argued that it is harming blacks to have them freed and that blacks should be "disposed of" from the South.

-During the Gettysburg Campaign nearly every single regiment in the Army of Northern Virginia kidnapped free blacks during their invasion into Pennsylvania. There is no way that Lee did not know it was happening and his silence on the matter permitted it. Over 1,200 free blacks were kidnapped by Lee's men, some died in captivity and never saw their families again.

-Lee was 500 yards away from fighting watching with binoculars as Confederates massacred black soldiers trying to surrender. It is hard to imagine that he had no clue.

-Lee resigned from serving for the Union at the outset of the war, because he could not fight people from his home state. He joined the Confederacy, where his first action was to ironically and hypocritically attack people in his home state, as western Virginia wanted to break off of Virginia so that they could remain in the Union.

-Lee refused to return black POWs to the Union. Lee demanded that only whites should be exchanged. Grant refused to Lee's racist terms and so prisoners were rarely exchanged on that front until the final moments of the war. Lee needed his white soldiers returned, but would rather not return black soldiers.

-Robert E. Lee ordered severe punishments for any slave that attempted to runaway including having slaves whipped severely and then their cuts washed with brine.
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Old 07-31-2018, 08:45 PM
 
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Sherman was just as bad. A lot of those guys just assumed blacks had it from up above to be behind. Even the damn indians agreed.

But Who cares? This is ancient history and those guys would think we're morons for not moving on, given some black people are way richer and smarter than us. We've even had a president now. But lately we have a country collapsing where whites work in poverty and their kids go hungry, while other idle rich whites leave millions to dogs.

They'd say were some real fools. And to watch the hell out because this issue can cause just as severe a war as the one they had.
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Old 07-31-2018, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Who ever said he was a saint? He's famous because he was one of the greatest strategic battle commanders of that era, and he lost due to the Union soldiers outnumbering the south.
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Old 07-31-2018, 08:57 PM
 
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The truth about Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He wasn’t very good at his job

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Lee’s ineptitude was most damaging at Gettysburg.

On the third day of battle, in what became known as Pickett’s Charge, Lee ordered his troops across an open field, subjecting them to heavy fire. Lee did this against the advice of his subordinates. The rebels suffered more than 6,000 casualties.

Lee apologists blamed Longstreet’s execution of the attack, which many historians and military strategists now find laughable.
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Last edited by Ibginnie; 07-31-2018 at 09:28 PM.. Reason: copyright
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Old 07-31-2018, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Guam
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There is a "Lee was a saint" myth?
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You lost all credibility with the Washington Post, which is stock full of lies.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:12 PM
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I’ll call the Pope and let him know.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:13 PM
 
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He betrayed his country of birth by putting his state and slavery over the oath he took to the constitution of the United States.

He was a half assed General who blamed his failures on his subordinates. And he decimated his other Armies in order to keep Virginia better protected. His attack on Gettysburg proves how incompetent he was.

Plus he sent at least a 1000 free African Americans that he captured in Gettysburg (non combatants) back into slavery.

He’s a seditious weasel. Should’ve been hung after the war.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:21 PM
 
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He betrayed his country of birth by putting his state and slavery over the oath he took to the constitution of the United States.
Uh-huh.. That'd have worked wonders for a Union.

Lee didn't grow up with TV or the Bee-Gee's on radio. He was in an age where Men went back to their states and their duty was to that political abstraction first. That was the case on all sides. I've a good story of a Union - meaning not CSA - general who left the union not by his choice, but because his state left the union. Was common.

We can't imagine that so much because we're from a different era. Though, things can change rapidly.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Lee was a man of his times. A southern elite who kept slaves as a matter of course and with no qualms about holding people in servitude as a business model. How this small Southern minority was able to convince poor whites who never owned slaves to fight and die for the rights of the few is one the greatest con jobs in American history.
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