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Old 09-23-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Cupertino, CA
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A shame what would befall this great city in the coming years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQxVW2vDJw&t=37s
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Old 09-23-2018, 09:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Destruction and reconstruction the history of the world.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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A shame what would befall this great city in the coming years.
Interesting video.
However you won't get much sympathy from me brother. It's a shame what would befall many of the great cities of Europe in the coming years after this video, and the leaders of this city and yes, the citizens of this city are to blame.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Cupertino, CA
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Interesting video.
However you won't get much sympathy from me brother. It's a shame what would befall many of the great cities of Europe in the coming years after this video, and the leaders of this city and yes, the citizens of this city are to blame.

True, a shame what humans can resort to. Berlin seemed so neat and clean and well cultured. And it came to this. Anyways, I thought it was an interesting video with some great footage of life back then.


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Old 09-25-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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A shame what would befall this great city in the coming years.
They had it coming.
Serves them right.
They had no one to blame but themselves.

etc.

I don't feel any pity for what happened to them.

The Russians raped them? We firebombed them? As you sow, so shall you reap. What kind of justice would there be if they didn't experience any of the horrors they did to others?

Today the Germans are back in the circle of civilized nations. But it was necessary to extract vengeance from them first to make this possible.
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Old 09-25-2018, 06:49 AM
 
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True, a shame what humans can resort to. Berlin seemed so neat and clean and well cultured. And it came to this. Anyways, I thought it was an interesting video with some great footage of life back then.
I've seen that, too. 2 months after obliteration, Berlin is on its way. People are cleaning it up. Removing rubble, people going about their business, ironing the wash, going to the office.

Then I think about Port-au-Prince. 10+ years after an earthquake, and it looks like it happened yesterday.

I look at Detroit. 30 years since The Big Three left. It looks worse than Berlin in 7/45. Weeds, even trees growing on factory roofs. Acre upon acre of bare, bulldozed land. Dirt and filth everywhere.

Who won the war again?
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Ah yes. Berlin in the 30’s. Privilged Christian elites enjoying the good life. Behind the facade the others are being fitted with the yellow badges and readied for the cattle cars and “relocation camps”.
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Old 09-25-2018, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Cupertino, CA
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They had it coming.
Serves them right.
They had no one to blame but themselves.

etc.

I don't feel any pity for what happened to them.

The Russians raped them? We firebombed them? As you sow, so shall you reap. What kind of justice would there be if they didn't experience any of the horrors they did to others?

Today the Germans are back in the circle of civilized nations. But it was necessary to extract vengeance from them first to make this possible.
Despite the atrocities of Nazi Germany, there was no justification for the mass rape of German women and girls by the invading Red Army troops. It has been estimated up to two million were raped, from girls as young as eight years old to women 80 years old. And deaths connected with the rape of German females estimated at 240,000. Many were repeatedly raped, some up to 60-70 times. At least 100,000 were believed to have been raped in Berlin alone.
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Old 09-25-2018, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Despite the atrocities of Nazi Germany, there was no justification for the mass rape of German women and girls by the invading Red Army troops. It has been estimated up to two million were raped, from girls as young as eight years old to women 80 years old. And deaths connected with the rape of German females estimated at 240,000. Many were repeatedly raped, some up to 60-70 times. At least 100,000 were believed to have been raped in Berlin alone.
Agree, and even worse was the Dresden fire bombing - by Feb 1945 the war was over - there was no justification for it.
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Old 09-25-2018, 07:35 PM
 
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Yes of course the atrocities against German women cannot be justified. But the German perception of total war and the absolute destruction and humiliation of the societies they conquered paved the way for the kind of revenge mindset of the Russians who took Berlin.
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