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Old 10-29-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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There is nothing mature about paying someone because of their skin color.

Perhaps there was a time where reparations wouldíve been beneficial to former slaves and their descendants but that ship has sailed a long time ago.

If there is any demographic you donít want to give money to, itís the demographic that has yet to prove they can manage money properly or be self-sufficient without government help and handouts. And I say that as a black man.

Reparations wonít work. What works is assimilation and until you assimilate, you will continue to struggle and wonder why other demographics (Asian Americans and African immigrants) pass us African Americans up on the social ladder.

No one is coming to save African Americans. Not Democrats, not liberals, not legislation, not raparations, and not Obama. If you havenít figured out how to do something the world wants done in 2018, youíll never figure it out and no amount of money can help you figure it out.

Hondurans are walking thousands of miles in a caravan, risking life and liberty, to come to America and here we are whining about some damn reparations
You might want to lay off all the head smacking.

But just to play along - when did the ship on reparations sail? Because reparations were followed by a whole lot of examples of government doing just the opposite of giving out help and handouts to African Americans. Economic self-sufficiency suffered at the hands of redlining, for example, a practice not legislated away until 1968, which doesn't count the lag time between the time a law passes and it begins to have its desired impact. In some places, it was passed too late to have much of an impact at all. Has the ship sailed on that too?

And you don't speak for your demographic any more than I do.
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:28 PM
 
Location: NYC by week; ATL by weekend
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Motion, basically I agree with you. But the slaves brought to America were also slaves in Africa, purchased from Africa.

How much money should Africa pay in reparations to the descendants of the slaves they sold on their coast who were destined to the American continent?
The slaves imported from the continent of Africa were not all slaves. Majority were captured. And slaves imported from the continent by european colonialists were from different countries on the continent. Get the narrative correct. Chattel slavery was not a practice by warring tribes in Africa...asymilation was the key. And if captured they wer the equivalent of POW's. African tribes did not sail to South and North America marketing human chattel. And they did not colonialise themselves on the continent of Africa....so no they would not owe the descendants of slavery anything. Pleas share what you believe would be the amount the descendants in America should be owed since a vast majority of the infastructure and industry was created by free slave labo? And though the country abolished it, it continued it systemic oppression of those descendants long after.....so how much should the US pay?
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:37 PM
 
Location: NYC by week; ATL by weekend
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As far as the Japanese-Americans. Their reparations went directly to those who had been put in those camps during WWII. It's been said that U.S slave reparations should have gone to newly freed slaves. Today's Black-Americans are generations removed from slavery so they didn't experience slavery.
But still subjected to systemic racism...no matter if overt or not.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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But still subjected to systemic racism...no matter if overt or not.
As have been, at various times and degrees in US history:
Immigrants from Ireland, Germany, Italy, Eastern Europe and Asia.
Women who did not gain the right to vote until 100 years ago
Native tribes members who were displaced or exterminated
Non hetero-sexuals
Jews

Are all of these groups deserving of reparations, or is it just the descendants of former slaves?
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Glasgow was built on slavery but we didnt have many here... but the tobacco barons etc who lived here gave money to build grand churches and buidlings..
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Old 11-05-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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Glasgow was built on slavery but we didnt have many here... but the tobacco barons etc who lived here gave money to build grand churches and buidlings..
You don't have to have slaves in your country to benefit from "slave money". The european powers, particularly the Dutch, The Portuguese, The Spanish, The French, and The UK, became rich from the slave trade. An argument can be made that Britian's industrial revolution was financed by the slave trade (to be fair, others disagree on the impact).

By the early 19th century it had lost it's profitability because slaves had reached the saturation point in the new world. That's about the time that Britian found it "morally unacceptable" to continue the slave trade and outlawed it....one could say it was more of an issue of it being, more accurately, financially unacceptable to continue the slave trade.
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Old Yesterday, 06:11 PM
 
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Plantation labor turned out to be cheaper than peasant labor, & proletariat labor initially cheaper than both.

It will be very interesting evolutionary what will be the next "it" labor source especially with A.I., robotics, etc on the scene.

Still even with them one must remember the fruit doesn't fall too far from the tree, for inorganics as well as organics.
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Old Today, 01:57 PM
 
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Black America is owed a huge debt. A debt that cannot be repaid in any moral sense. However, ensuring they get a fair shake now is a minimum we can do.
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