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Old 02-10-2019, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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Kennedy action or non-action prevented ww3 as well as a soviet submarine commander who refused to fire nuclear missiles after being depth-charged by our navy
What happened was, the US navy used small explosives as a signal for a sub to surface for identification. The navy sent a letter to Moscow to relay to their sub captains explaining that they weren't being attacked, only signaled, but that sub didn't get the message and thought war had started.
The Soviet sub B-59 was found by an American hunter killer group, and after a few hand grenades exploded above them he ordered the "special" torpedo to be assembled and readied to fire.

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I don't think invading Cuba or bombing Cuba would have started WW 3. We have bombed and invaded and occupied many countries a lot bigger than Cuba during the Cold War and it never started WW 3. It would have been another military conflict that we would find a peace solution with the Soviets if it happened. Nobody is going to start WW 3 and kill millions of people and turn the world and its economy upside down for an island like Cuba.
None of those other places had over 40,000 Soviet combat troops with tactical nuclear weapons either. Khrushchev would have been forced to respond, probably in Berlin, then what? Fortunately, we'll never know.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Would JFK be reelected

If he ran against Goldwater in 64, he would have won easily.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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not if LBJ was with him
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: 5,400 feet
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Kennedy most certainly would've won. In '64 Barry Goldwater only won his home state of Arizona. (The biggest landslide in history until twenty years later when Reagan defeated Mondale). I believe Kennedy would've taken somewhere between 65-70% of the popular vote.
i was around in 1964, and it's hard to describe to someone who sees through the lenses of today's politics just how popular JFK was. Reagan is probably the closest, and maybe Obama the 2008 candidate, to JFK's popularity, but neither were at JFK's level. I have no doubt that he would have run in 1964 had he lived.

People also forget how influential Joe Kennedy was on JFK, and he would have pushed JFK very hard to run.
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Old Yesterday, 09:15 PM
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Location: Somewhere on this 3rd rock from the sun
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i was around in 1964, and it's hard to describe to someone who sees through the lenses of today's politics just how popular JFK was. Reagan is probably the closest, and maybe Obama the 2008 candidate, to JFK's popularity, but neither were at JFK's level. I have no doubt that he would have run in 1964 had he lived.

People also forget how influential Joe Kennedy was on JFK, and he would have pushed JFK very hard to run.
Wasn't Joe Kennedy stroke ridden- unable to speak or move by then?
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Old Today, 08:43 AM
 
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Wasn't Joe Kennedy stroke ridden- unable to speak or move by then?

Regained some movement and speech capabilities, but limited.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph...ness_and_death


Joe Kennedy often gets a bad rap; but on a human level have to feel for the guy; outliving three of your four sons isn't easy on any parent.
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Old Today, 08:50 AM
 
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Kennedy most certainly would've won. In '64 Barry Goldwater only won his home state of Arizona. (The biggest landslide in history until twenty years later when Reagan defeated Mondale). I believe Kennedy would've taken somewhere between 65-70% of the popular vote.

Wasn't around then but totally agree. From everything one has read and heard JFK was just getting warmed up, and surely would have easily won reelection.


When I speak with those who were around then they all say pretty much same things. There was just an electricity in the air from JFK. He and Jackie Kennedy were like a breath of fresh air and many felt just what the country needed. No one is sugar coating the 1960's weren't a tumultuous time for America, but still.
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Old Today, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Regained some movement and speech capabilities, but limited.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph...ness_and_death


Joe Kennedy often gets a bad rap; but on a human level have to feel for the guy; outliving three of your four sons isn't easy on any parent.
Joe Kennedy was a rum-running whoremonger who was simpathetic to the nazis while serving as ambassador to St. James Court. He also had his daughter lobotomized.

Bad rap? Nah.
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Old Today, 04:15 PM
 
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Joe Kennedy was a rum-running whoremonger who was simpathetic to the nazis while serving as ambassador to St. James Court. He also had his daughter lobotomized.

Bad rap? Nah.
What he did to Rosemary was nothing different than what other families did at the time. They simply acted on the advice of their doctors.
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