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Old 12-20-2018, 08:46 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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The British had already lost one war to the USA and did not want to start another one. It was simply not worth protecting their ally Japan if they had to go lose another war in north America. By the time of the bombing, the British had already left the axis powers and was no longer strongly allied to Japan. In fact they were in the process of breaking off their allegiance to Germany. Just a few months earlier, they had gone as far a issuing a travel ban in all of England against Hitler ant the Japanese emperor Hiroshima. the Brits were pretty well out of airplanes anyway and had to resort to suicide attacks on American shipping. Finally the church had slid down the hill and the British citizens were all tied up building a new Church on the Hill and could not be bothered with protecting Japan from the USA. Plus it was 3 p.m. in England and everyone knows that is teatime.

That is why.
Let's see. You said Britain was allied with Japan, had been part of the axis powers, had at one time held an allegiance to Germany, and has suicide attacked American shipping.

Where did you come up with this bizarre nonsense?
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Let's see. You said Britain was allied with Japan, had been part of the axis powers, had at one time held an allegiance to Germany, and has suicide attacked American shipping.

Where did you come up with this bizarre nonsense?
He's a law student at Poe U.
 
Old 12-20-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Maximum effect on the enemy (you know, the ones who started the war) with the least risk to the United States.
Maximum psychological impact on the enemy. Minimum actual enemy civilian casualties, as well as minimum Allied combat casualties. What's not to like about that?

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Ideal war-making. And the most effective way to make sure the war ends quickly.
Yes, absolutely.
 
Old 12-20-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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So, I read on Quora that a lot of British people are angry with America for nuking Japan during WW2. They consider it a war crime and a crime against humanity but how come the British didn't stop America from nuking it? Why didn't the British threaten to declared war on America, raided the compound the nukes were being made and then saved Japan?

This is the same with Vietnam and Iraq.....

Were you angry with those? Yes.
Were you opposed to those? Yes, definitely.
Then why didn't you stop it? ....
Your basic premise is untrue.

The Japanese were at war with the USA, Britain, and Australia. The British were happy to support anything that brought about an end to the war. I would hope everyone would remember the Japanese attacked and occupied Hong Kong and Singapore which were both British colonies. Large numbers of British soldiers were forced to surrender.

We have had many threads over the years about the morality of dropping the atomic bombs. I admit its something that doesn't bother me at all.

Japan wasn't going to surrender without either the use of the bombs or a huge land invasion that was estimated to result in 100,000 American casualties on the first day. These people had shown a willingness to fight to the death and ignore any rules or laws of war. Some have mentioned Japanese atrocities such as the Rape of Nanking and the massacre in Manila that took place near the end of the war. I could add to that the Bataan Death March to that list where American soldiers were bayoneted or shot for failing to keep up with other troops being deprived of food and water and being marched to a prison camp. Or, how about the Japanese massacre of American POWs on Wake Island? Conditions in Japanese POW camps were so bad that one-third of American prisoners died before they could be liberated. In contrast, POW's held by the Germans had a 98% or better survival rate.

Finally, one point that is often overlooked when the morality of dropping the atomic bombs is considered is that dropping the bombs undoubtedly saved Japanese as well as American lives. Far more Japanese would have been killed if we had chosen to invade Japan than the perhaps 200,000 that were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Once we decided we had to have something akin to unconditional surrender it was inevitable that many Japanese would die. We should be grateful we had the atomic bombs and we chose to use them.

Harry Truman exemplified what presidential leadership is really all about. Its making tough decisions with the best information you have at the time and standing by those decisions.
 
Old 12-20-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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Let's see. You said Britain was allied with Japan, had been part of the axis powers, had at one time held an allegiance to Germany, and has suicide attacked American shipping.

Where did you come up with this bizarre nonsense?
I am pretty sure he is purposely nonsensical as a joke to fit the nonsensical premise of the OP.

Hmmm, I was looking forward to the OP's response, I am sure this thread didn't turn out like he expected. Looks like he will not be joining us again.
 
Old 12-20-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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During the battle of Manila, Japanese soldiers amused themselves by breaking into a hospital, going to the maternity ward, and dropping newborns out the window so their comrades could try and impale the infants on their upraised bayonets. And the catalog of horrors during the Sack of Nanking is simply beyond belief. Those atrocities took place one bullet and one bayonet thrust at a time and were repeated all over Asia.

Aside from the fact that the Japanese fought to the death, that's why Americans didn't take many prisoners. Because they had seen the sheer, breathtaking brutality of their foes and weren't inclined to be merciful.

If I were a civilian in World War II and had a choice between being occupied by a Japanese infantry division and a Waffen SS Division, I'm would have chosen the latter without hesitation. The Japanese were rapacious, brutal, and inhumane to an extent unknown since the Middle Ages.
It's astounding how little the average young person knows about Japanese war atrocities in WW ll. It really does need to be taught in History class, right alongside the Holocaust. The Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was a nightmare for any non-Japanese person unlucky enough to be trapped in it.
 
Old 12-20-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Let's see. You said Britain was allied with Japan, had been part of the axis powers, had at one time held an allegiance to Germany, and has suicide attacked American shipping.

Where did you come up with this bizarre nonsense?
Sorry, if I have to explain this, you will not be able to understand it anyway. Just move on to the next post and ignore. This is too complicated for someone who needs an explanation to be able to understand the explanation.
 
Old 12-20-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Sorry, if I have to explain this, you will not be able to understand it anyway. Just move on to the next post and ignore.
The problem is that we've read posts resembling your sarcastic one from people who were writing in dead earnest. That's the problem: profound ignorance is truly hard to tell from satire (unless you already know the poster well).
 
Old 12-20-2018, 11:42 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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How did this conversation get past two responses?
 
Old 12-20-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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It's astounding how little the average young person knows about Japanese war atrocities in WW ll. It really does need to be taught in History class, right alongside the Holocaust. The Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was a nightmare for any non-Japanese person unlucky enough to be trapped in it.

Ya gotta admit, "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" must surely win the prize for "Most Benign Name for a Murderous Empire Ever."
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