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Old 01-04-2019, 08:10 PM
 
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Everything goes up in unadjusted dollars. Try a more meaningful presentation like this:



so now you want to go with the debt as % of GDP. LOL


Bill Clinton: Added $1.396 trillion, a 32-percent increase from the $4.4 trillion debt at the end of George H.W. Bush's last budget, FY 1993.


  • FY 2001 - $133 billion.
  • FY 2000 - $18 billion.
  • FY 1999 - $130 billion.
  • FY 1998 - $113 billion.
  • FY 1997 - $188 billion.
  • FY 1996 - $251 billion.
  • FY 1995 - $281 billion.
  • FY 1994 - $281 billion.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-b...ercent-3306296
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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so now you want to go with the debt as % of GDP. LOL
I figured as much; you're outraged by numbers but have no idea at all what they mean.

I bet you're really enraged that gas costs ten times as much as it did when Nixon was elected.
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:37 PM
 
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I figured as much; you're outraged by numbers but have no idea at all what they mean.

I bet you're really enraged that gas costs ten times as much as it did when Nixon was elected.
but you do right? lol. I'm outraged and enraged? what are you a computer psychiatrist also?

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The national debt declined across Clinton's administration, but I'm sure you have a contravailing theory on that, too.
you know that's not true but here you are doubling down. It's funny.
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Old 01-05-2019, 05:56 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Clinton was in the WH after the Cold War ended in 1991 and the federal government kept most of the revenues from those cutbacks and add the dot.com economy. He signed NAFTA which was bad for the working class but that's another topic.
Repeal of Glass-Steagall was another one, led to a tainted money supply the consequences of which we are still dealing with ... credit-based consumption, housing finance fiasco, etc.

Another doozy was belligerent intervention in former Yugoslavia: worthy of note, we've had women in top national diplomacy and national security positions since the 1990s and we have been constantly at war. I don't see the difference.

Anyway, history is not measured in eight-year periods as a rule, nor is compiling statistics over eight-year periods significant.

There are many, many moving parts, of which a president is only one.

Just for example, technological changes, fiscal policy changes, changes in banking and finance, changes in international politics, changes in industrial policy, then more technological changes, many with roots in the 1980s, all combined to shape the 1990s and beyond, for better and for worse.

Overall, yeah, it was just okay.

To be sure, Bill Clinton was a skilled politician, he made a good - very good - career out of it, but he's not the only one.

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Old 01-05-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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How was American life like during the years bill Clinton was President
Really, is who is in office really make that much of an impact to peoples lives? It was like now, not much different...without smart phones or highdef TV, and internet porn was harder to find.
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Old 01-05-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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I am watching Scandalous this week and interestingly, we went in for strikes against Iraq just when the Ken Starr report was about to drop. I always thought that movie Wag the Dog was fiction.
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Iowa
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We had good TV, good movies, but the music was awful. We went out for jog every morning to McDonald's, just like Bill Clinton. We played frisby golf and traded in the Corolla for an Explorer. Gas was cheap, a buck a gallon, and the malls were still packed. Most people did not have the internet and if they did, used crappy dial up service. The internet was plagued with worms and viruses, and the whole thing would crash sometimes during peak hours. Many a nightly news broadcast would lead off with some viral attack or internet problem, with the Y2K thing in 1999 getting a lot of hype.

The Clinton years were a time of optimism, we recovered quickly from the mini recession under Bush, and exciting things were happening. We still lived like we did in the 80's, but we knew big changes were just around the corner. We wanted to buy a computer and cell phone, but most people waited until 2000 to get one.

There were some dark overtones from terrorism before 911, both foreign and domestic, and some government terrorism as well which fueled the domestic part. The Ruby Ridge thing, in which the ATF moved in on Randy Weaver's home in the mountains of Idaho, and killed his wife, this happened right before Clinton took office. Clinton appointed Janet Reno as AG, and soon we had another blunder at Waco, in which dozens of kids were killed and the complex was burned to the ground. It did not look good, and the militia people were getting really ticked off. This led directly to the Oklahoma City bombing, a very sick and disturbing act which I in no way condone. Timothy McVeigh was executed for his crime, and I believe the sentence was just.

Other dark side things of the Clinton years, racial polarization from the OJ Simpson trial, which was a fiasco, and the memory of the LA riots was still fresh for most people too. I would also say this was the real beginning of a long trend that continues today, of attacking the First Lady. It started with Nancy Reagan a little bit, and cooled off for Barbara Bush, but heated up big time for Hillary, there were things about her which inspired a great amount of ridicule from the right, and it became a fixture from then on, for the opposing party to attack the first lady. Laura Bush was shunned and picked on by the Democrats, then Michelle Obama, and now poor Melania is getting the treatment. I'm sure this pattern will continue, and I plead guilty on my ribbing Michelle a little bit on being a spokesperson for good nutrition and her weight. I don't really hate her though, foaming at the mouth hatred for the first lady is somewhat petty and I don't like to wallow in that. The ones who don't really want to get "political" should be respected for the more traditional role they embrace, as first lady.

Other condensed bad stuff from the Clinton scandals, sexual and otherwise, including Monica, perjury, taking campaign money from China, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, pardoning Mark Rich for a 400K bribe. The military failures including Somalia, sending Carter over to North Korea and making a sweetheart deal which helped them go nuclear, the miscalculation in Haiti which destroyed rice farming by undercutting prices, which had a very bad long term effect. The failure to get Bin Laden when he had a shot. Doing nothing about illegal immigration in any way when it was becoming rampant, and prohibiting border states from using militia or police to remove them, or protect the border.
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Old 01-05-2019, 12:23 PM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Please get this thread back on topic (The Clinton Bio) or it will have to be closed. Too many posts are too political. One thing that is an absolute. The current administration is not a topic for the History forum.
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Old 01-08-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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the national debt declined across the Clinton's years? lol..... I guess data and facts are theories now.

The rate at which the debt increased was significantly less than the administrations preceding and succeeding Clinton's. That is clear as day in the graph you posted.

Back to the OP's question, for much of Clinton's administration, at least for me, times were pretty good. With the tech boom 401(k)'s were up, wages were up and for people like me in the tech/telecom industry, stock options were given out like candy. Of course when it all came crashing down there were a lot of unhappy people, but I cashed out early.
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The national debt declined across Clinton's administration, but I'm sure you have a contravailing theory on that, too.
Newt Gingrich. Contract For America.
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