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Old 01-22-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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what the Germans needed to defend themselves in D-DAY was a couple of A-BOMBS. That would have affected German soldiers also but that was the only thing the Germans could do to win that invasion. Anything short of an A-bomb by the Germans and they had no chance.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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what the Germans needed to defend themselves in D-DAY was a couple of A-BOMBS. That would have affected German soldiers also but that was the only thing the Germans could do to win that invasion. Anything short of an A-bomb by the Germans and they had no chance.
Had the Germans not been fooled by the Allies into believing that the Normandy attack was a feint while the actual invasion would take place at Calais, the German Panzer divisions could have been moved to Normandy and the outcome of that would certainly have been in doubt. There were things short of nuking the allies which would have defeated the invasion.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:24 PM
 
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Another interesting consideration would have been to poison the waters of the invasion sites - the Germans were master chemists, and it's not out of the range of probability that the right compound could have been found to toxify the shallower waters with a few (hundred?) tons of it.

Geneva Convention and all that, sure.
Neither side crossed the chemical weapons line - and if you'd been willing to do so, dropping a chemical barrage would have been easier and more effective. Weather permitting, of course. Having your chemical weapons drift into your own position is - not ideal.

German chemical weaponry would have to be delivered by artillery (inc. rocket) or buried pipelines. There were a total of two German aircraft over the invasion beaches on D-day.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:39 PM
 
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And while it was tactically mostly useless, it was used for some clever propaganda.
They did get oiled beached right, however by spaying oil on the surface not pumping it into the sea. It did give good propaganda, and put fear into German troops. A prime tool against invaders was gas. General Alan Brooke stated that he "had every intention of using sprayed mustard gas on the beaches". Poison gases were stored at key points for use by bombers and small crop sprayers.

An old relative of a relative, was a telephone engineer during WW2. Up until his death he was adamant the Germans made an invasion attempt. He said the lines were clattering with the reports - he was listening. He said they were burnt with flame throwers. It may have been a dry run of defences.

There were reports that 12 Germans floated ashore in rubber boats to seize some equipment from a radar station on the Isle of Wight. No records exist of the failed raid.
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Old 01-24-2019, 10:42 AM
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Could they have built generators or something that would have electrified the water and electrocuted the soldiers as they got out?

Was there ever an instance of doing something like this in battle?
The physics aren't there. Even if you put a high power source into a coastal body of water, it is a huge body of material, and the current would dissipate over the great surface. Water isn't a great medium for transmission of current even to begin with. So no, even with modern technology, that wouldn't have worked.
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Old 01-24-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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Had the Germans not been fooled by the Allies into believing that the Normandy attack was a feint while the actual invasion would take place at Calais, the German Panzer divisions could have been moved to Normandy and the outcome of that would certainly have been in doubt. There were things short of nuking the allies which would have defeated the invasion.
maybe they could have held it for a little longer but they would have lost the war eventually. Germany would have pulled most of their Panzer divisions to defend the motherland with the Red Army advancing from the east.

it was already written on the wall before D-DAY, Germany lost the war, it was just a matter of time.
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Old 01-24-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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And while it was tactically mostly useless, it was used for some clever propaganda.

German POWs with burns were gathered in one hospital and a whisper campaign started that this sudden arrival was the result of a German raid that had gone wrong and been repulsed by the new weapon. This was "picked up" by the BBC broadcasts to occupied Europe. A French-language program would do mock German lessons. "First, let's conjugate the verb: I burn. You burn. He burns. They burn. And now, in a sentence: Look at the Oberleutnant, he burns very well indeed."

Parisian jokers would walk up behind German soldiers and pretend to warm their hands, like one would with a fire.

Small stuff, but - as war efforts go - very cheap and if it could make German troops less enthused about storming the beaches of England, why not?
This was interesting. I became familiar with Operation Sea Lion and the preparations to defeat it when I did a lengthy paper on it for a class. I didn't come across the above, so it is a nice tidbit to add to my information bank.
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Old 01-28-2019, 05:40 AM
 
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Re chemical warfare

Did Hitler think introducing it would lead to a defeat? I mean he was Hitler. What does he care how he kills people as long as Germany wins?
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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Did Hitler think introducing it would lead to a defeat? I mean he was Hitler. What does he care how he kills people as long as Germany wins?

Zyklon B. No hesitation about that against defenseless men, women and children. Soldiers that can fight back another matter.
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Old 01-28-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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Zyklon B. No hesitation about that against defenseless men, women and children. Soldiers that can fight back another matter.
I read somewhere that gas was used in response to a morale problem. The security & other German groups rounding up Jews (& Roma & homosexuals & dissenters - as well as physical & mental defectives)to work them to death or for immediate execution - become apathetic over time, or brutal. & there was some concern over these men returning to German society after the war (this was before the German outlook became hopeless).
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