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Old 01-21-2019, 06:48 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Speaking of the Bolshevik revolution which was heavily supported by the Jewish intellectual community and with Marx and Trotsky (Leninís counterpart and both Jews) being vital to the creation of a communist state.
More Jew hatred? Sigh. Redux.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:38 PM
 
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More Jew hatred? Sigh. Redux.
Historical facts
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:51 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Speaking of the Bolshevik revolution which was heavily supported by the Jewish intellectual community and with Marx and Trotsky (Leninís counterpart and both Jews) being vital to the creation of a communist state.
More Jew hatred? Sigh. Redux.
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Marx and Trotsky were not practicing Jews. And the intellectual community's view was that anything would be better than the Czars. Unfortunately they guessed wrong.
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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For the most facile popular interpretation, Pearl Harbor. It was not an attack on the USA, no effort was made to harm civilians, Hawaii was inhabited by more Japanese than ethnic Americans (and still is), nothing was targeted except military assets, which had been assembled there as an obvious and direct threat to the Japanese, who had as much right to defend their interests the Pacific as the Americans had.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:40 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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For the most facile popular interpretation, Pearl Harbor. It was not an attack on the USA, no effort was made to harm civilians, Hawaii was inhabited by more Japanese than ethnic Americans (and still is), nothing was targeted except military assets, which had been assembled there as an obvious and direct threat to the Japanese, who had as much right to defend their interests the Pacific as the Americans had.
Does that mean that we can attack a Canadian assemblage of military assets to protect our interests in North America? We are not at war with Canada and on December 6, 1941 we were not at war with Japan.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Does that mean that we can attack a Canadian assemblage of military assets to protect our interests in North America? We are not at war with Canada and on December 6, 1941 we were not at war with Japan.
If Canada concentrated its entire military force at a single point along the US border and clearly announced its intention to use it to blockade US trade, what do you think? Would we take action, not against Canada or its people, but to neutralize its strike capability? Would you expect your generals to use the element of surprise, or announce it beforehand with a declaration of was?

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Old 01-23-2019, 08:39 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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If Canada concentrated its entire military force at a single point along the US border and clearly announced its intention to use it to blockade US trade, what do you think? Would we take action, not against Canada or its people, but to neutralize its strike capability? Would you expect your generals to use the element of surprise, or announce it beforehand with a declaration of was?
The U.S.'s "entire military force" was not at Pearl Harbor. Not even close.

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Old 01-23-2019, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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The U.S.'s "entire military force" was not at Pearl Harbor. Not even close.

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The entire naval Pacific fleet was, which even after Pearl Harbor, was by itself enough to defeat Japan. You can't defeat an argument with a quibble, especially when that's all you've got.

So just strike out the word "entire", read my post again, and get back to me.
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Old 01-23-2019, 09:06 PM
 
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The entire naval Pacific fleet was, which even after Pearl Harbor, was by itself enough to defeat Japan. You can't defeat an argument with a quibble, especially when that's all you've got.

So just strike out the word "entire", read my post again, and get back to me.

The three US aircraft carriers in the Pacific were out on maneuvers on Dec 7, 1941, and were not located by the Japanese during the attack. (https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/p...ct-sheet-1.pdf)
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:10 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Yea the Indian Wars jumped to the front of my mind. What happened at places like Wounded Knee and Sand Creek made Little Big Horn and Fettermans blunder look tame in terms of human loss. I have a lot of heartburn with how GA Custer was immortalized after LBH. He was just as much of an arrogant idiot as Fetterman and should have been seen for who he really was. An arrogant, murdering, incompetent ass who got all his troopers killed. Just like Fetterman.
Can't argue with what you say, but I will add that the Indians were the victims of some incredibly bad timing.
They defeated Custer - a famous general - in June, 1876. By the time word got around it was July 4, 1876, and the entire country was busy celebrating our 1st 100 years.
Just. Bad. Timing. People called for the heads of all those who did it, and there was no satisfying them. The Indian Wars took on a new life.
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