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Old 01-28-2019, 07:40 PM
 
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For the most facile popular interpretation, Pearl Harbor. It was not an attack on the USA, no effort was made to harm civilians, Hawaii was inhabited by more Japanese than ethnic Americans (and still is), nothing was targeted except military assets, which had been assembled there as an obvious and direct threat to the Japanese, who had as much right to defend their interests the Pacific as the Americans had.

the Japanese had a defense treaty with the Nazis..


1940 Germany defeats France and divides into occupied and Vichy
1940 Japan moves into indo-china (a french colony) to gain access to dutch oil
1940 FDR limits japans use of our oil (we were the largest exporter)


japan allied itself with Germany at a time when the US was having an undeclared war in the Atlantic in our efforts to supply England
Japan was ruled by a military racist cult that made the Nazis look like pikers and got them in way over their head (some knew better)


the pilots who attacked pearl harbor were under the impression that war would be declared half hour before the attack and expected to die in the huge fight...


the message to declare war was encrypted and secret...therefore it was typed with one finger by a diplomat instead of a typist and arrived after the attack took place
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Old 01-29-2019, 12:12 AM
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When Congress denaturalized the country during Reconstruction.
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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When Congress denaturalized the country during Reconstruction.

Denaturalized?
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:24 AM
 
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The adoption of Christianity into the Roman Empire... The beginning of the end of a great people!
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:44 AM
 
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For the most facile popular interpretation, Pearl Harbor. It was not an attack on the USA, no effort was made to harm civilians, Hawaii was inhabited by more Japanese than ethnic Americans (and still is), nothing was targeted except military assets, which had been assembled there as an obvious and direct threat to the Japanese, who had as much right to defend their interests the Pacific as the Americans had.

That's a bizarre interpretation to say the least. Hawaii was United States territory and the fleet was the US military.

As far as Japanese 'interests' were concerned, it was the conquest and enslavement of China. And Pearl Harbor was, strategically, a diversion so that the Japanese could run amok and conquer the entirety of East Asia. I know plenty of Filipinos and you're the very first one I've encountered who actually defends the Japanese of that period, given the brutality of their occupation.


As far as least favorite event in history, I'd say the Black Death. Had to have been a serious bummer.
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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The American Civil War. I am interested in the history, but it was a horribly sad event that tore families, and the country apart. It could have been avoided.
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Old 01-30-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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The three US aircraft carriers in the Pacific were out on maneuvers on Dec 7, 1941, and were not located by the Japanese during the attack. (https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/p...t-sheet-1.pdf)

After Coral Sea we only had two carriers fully operational. Lexington went down there and Yorktown was a tattered mess. She was made ready for Midway only by supreme effort. Hornet Enterprise and Yorktown went up against Akagi, Siryu, Horyu and Kaga. We could have easily lost in the Pacific after Pearl. Our fleet left after that was hardly the force claimed in the post you responded to.


When our industry geared up we churned out the war material but we damn near lost bad in the Pacific.
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Old 01-30-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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I would have to say the Mongol invasions. So many people slaughtered, so many priceless writings, art, and architecture destroyed. Rape, plunder, genocide. Cities like Baghdad and Kiev utterly annihilated. Baghdad, in particular, never recovered from it. And the Mongols contributed very little, politically or culturally, to the kingdoms they subjugated. The only positive aspects of that era, as far as Iím concerned, were the victories against the Mongols, in places like Austria and Japan. The tremendous adversity the Mongols presented provided an opportunity for some figures to really shine in their victories against them, and they are still talked about to this day.

The military prowess of the Mongols was beyond reproach, but they frankly sucked at governing and maintaining their empire, and eventually just became absorbed into the various cultures they conquered, and it was a dramatically quick process, comparatively speaking.
I agree and it was something the Moslem world still hasn't recovered from.

The Mongol Sack of Baghdad in 1258
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TRANSCRIPT FROM A LECTURE SERIES BY PROFESSOR EAMONN GEARON, JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY

The Mongol conquest of the Abbasid Caliphate culminated in the horrific sack of Baghdad that effectively ended the Islamic Golden Age.
If you are a history buff it's worth reading.
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Old Today, 10:47 AM
 
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least favorite to Study in School: War of 1812. nothing happened. although, the Battle of New Orleans was a good song.
least favorite to find out about: Carrington and Tunguska events. i still think something similar is possible during our lives.
Yeah, but what if The War of 1812 had had the outcome America wanted? Canada would have become part of America since the British would have been kicked out of the continent.
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Old Today, 05:41 PM
 
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Yeah, but what if The War of 1812 had had the outcome America wanted? Canada would have become part of America since the British would have been kicked out of the continent.
After defeating Napoleon, that outcome was never going to happen.
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