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Old 01-21-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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OK, think about it... No WW1 means Germany would not have worked to release lenin back to Russia. The fall of the Czar would have been prevented or substantially delayed . Czar stays in power means no commies. No German defeat followed by a onerous peace treaty and penalties means no WW2. No WW2 =no nukes or a greatly delayed US nuclear program. Vastly different world we would be living in today....
Completely agree. Germany signed an armistice with Russia because it knew the U.S. government troops were going to enter the war. Change that and the communists may have been defeated.

If WWI never occurred more resources available could have allowed the tsar to focus at home and that may have forestalled the Bolshevik Revolution.

Germany also when it signed the final armistice to end the war after the U.S. entry did so when it still had manpower and territory. Their position became untenable in France but the allied powers would still have to enter german territory to defeat the Germans. If the socialists hadnít forced an end to the war it would have continued maybe on german territory and there would have been no WWII as we know it.

In both cases the U.S. support of Britain and and Russia guaranteed the carnage since. As britian was the largest colonial power at the time India may have been decolonized 20 years earlier.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Completely agree. Germany signed an armistice with Russia because it knew the U.S. government troops were going to enter the war. Change that and the communists may have been defeated.

If WWI never occurred more resources available could have allowed the tsar to focus at home and that may have forestalled the Bolshevik Revolution.

Germany also when it signed the final armistice to end the war after the U.S. entry did so when it still had manpower and territory. Their position became untenable in France but the allied powers would still have to enter german territory to defeat the Germans. If the socialists hadnít forced an end to the war it would have continued maybe on german territory and there would have been no WWII as we know it.

In both cases the U.S. support of Britain and and Russia guaranteed the carnage since. As britian was the largest colonial power at the time India may have been decolonized 20 years earlier.
Goes towards the point....Well worth the watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Shadow_(TV_series)
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:03 PM
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One could argue that 1492 was one of the top two or three most significant years. Of course there's Columbus discovering the new world but the Spanish defeated the Emirate of Grenada and drove the Moors out of the Iberian peninsula. That brought about a united and energized Spain right at the time new lands were being discovered. Spain also expelled the Jews that same year causing the Sephardic diaspora and generations of difficulty for those who stayed behind as conversos or crypto Jews. Both Spain and Portugal were exploring new lands but Portugal had a head start. Spain's discoveries and new unity and energy brought the two nations into competition and, in 1494, the Treaty of Tordesillas (authored by Pope Alexander VI) divided new lands outside of Europe between these two competing countries. So Brazil has a Portuguese history and language (as do some parts of Africa) and the rest of Central and South America has a Spanish history and language.

The year 1533 might also be considered, being the year Henry VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon was annulled. That precipitated the break with Papal Rome and the birth of the Church of England. The Protestant Reformation was only a few years old and still unsettled but the decision of an entire country to separate from Rome added fuel to the fire. Protestant ideas were introduced into England and Scotland. Henry eventually dismantled the monasteries and pocketed the wealth. Religious strife continued in England for decades. Eventually new groups of dissenters broke with the Church of England. Some of those people ended up on the Mayflower and later ships and the introduction of Puritanism into the American colonies and the USA.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:46 PM
 
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...and of course the capture of Palestine and all the ramifications of creating Israel which has led to turmoil in the Middle East of which we see to this second.
Are you telling me that the Mideast was Edenic and peaceful at any time? And why are the Jews the only people not entitled to national self-determination?
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:53 PM
 
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1972 was the most significant year in recent history. The gold standard as modified by Bretton Woods collapsed. Nixon forever destroyed the prestige of the Presidency one late night in June 1972 by collaborating in a coverup that marked the first overthrow of a President in history. While no other President has been overthrown since the President is a midget compared to what he once was. Oil and commodities began a wild ride which has only recently been stabilized. And the prestige of the U.S. was temporarily materially lessened, allowing much less constructive forces such as the Islamosphere, the "Third World" and terrorists to gain currency if not preeminence.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:34 PM
 
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Are you telling me that the Mideast was Edenic and peaceful at any time? And why are the Jews the only people not entitled to national self-determination?
By all accounts Palestine and the lands surrounding it were relatively peaceful certainly more peaceful than today. Jews as a race are absolutely entitled to national self determination (just like blacks, Arabs, Indians and whites although the others deny it) but not in territory held by Palestinians for 2000 years. Siberia was suggested.

If the outcome of WWII would have been different there wouldn’t have been the Islamic revolution in Iran, Nassar in Egypt and there would have been no Afghan war backed by the U.S. government that created the training ground, base and tactics used in 2001 that led to the destabilization of Iraq in 2003 and now with no strong power to keep the area in check Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and all the turmoil in the last 9 years. Even if the outcome of WWII was not different but Jews moved somewhere else or took only a portion of palestine not Gaza, the golan heights, Egyptian territory and etc. all this above would not have occurred.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:44 PM
 
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Not sure of the exact date, but the day the Chicxulub crater was formed, which ended the reign of the dinosaurs, and allowed mammals to gain a foothold and take over, would be a biggie for me.

If you're limiting the conversation to human history, I'd put 1947 up there, since that was the year the transistor was invented. It was the start of modern computing, whose effects, for good or bad, have yet to be realized, with AI and the "Singularity" potentially being a tipping point for the human race. If you don't like that one, there are plenty of inventions that changed the course of our history (steel, printing press, electric light, telegraph, steam engine, cotton gin, the list is too long to list).

Humility, of course, prevents me from suggesting 1957 (the year of my own birth).
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:52 PM
 
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By all accounts Palestine and the lands surrounding it were relatively peaceful certainly more peaceful than today. Jews as a race are absolutely entitled to national self determination (just like blacks, Arabs, Indians and whites although the others deny it) but not in territory held by Palestinians for 2000 years. Siberia was suggested.
If the outcome of WWII would have been different there wouldnít have been the Islamic revolution in Iran, Nassar in Egypt and there would have been no Afghan war backed by the U.S. government that created the training ground, base and tactics used in 2001 that led to the destabilization of Iraq in 2003 and now with no strong power to keep the area in check Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and all the turmoil in the last 9 years. Even if the outcome of WWII was not different but Jews moved somewhere else or took only a portion of palestine not Gaza, the golan heights, Egyptian territory and etc. all this above would not have occurred.
A story is told of Yasser Arafat debating Golda Meir on this very subject. She asks to begin the debate with a historical story, which Arafat allows. She begins, "Moses, having led the Jews for almost forty years in this desert, was very dusty and in need of a bath. The group came upon an oasis, and Moses hung his robe on a bush and entered the water. When clean, he walked from the small lake to find his robe missing. Upon asking where it went, one of the Jews exclaimed, "Moses, it was a Palestinian who stole your clothing"....

Arafat, not liking where this story was going, jumped up and yelled, "That's a lie! Why, there were no Palestinians living here in the time of Moses!"

Golda raised a finger, and said, "Ah, Hahhhh...Ö."
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Hard to pick just one, but 1945 has to be part of the discussion. The end of a global war that involved the entire northern half and a significant part of the southern half of the planet, and a total realignment of the political, military, technological, and economic structure of most of human society - plus the beginning of the nuclear age. It's hard for me to think of a single year in human history when so many things changed so much in just 12 months.
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Sounds about right. The drop of the atom bomb was perhaps one of the most important events in human history.
We strongly concur; the year brought the abuses by totalitarian of the previous 15 years into the light of open public scrutiny, and the recognition of the achievements of the handful of tested democracies (which do not settle their differences on, the battlefield), established standards for the expansion of pluralism elsewhere.

We still have long way to go, and not in the direction suggested by the (pseudo-) Fascism advocated by the Social Justice parrots and their allies in the not-so-United Nations (who are really not very enthused about the free exchange of either economic goods or ideas).

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Old 01-22-2019, 12:51 AM
 
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476 - the end of the Roman Empire, though the years from the 300s to 475 were significant in that they chipped away at the Roman Empire. It may have been a beaten, withered shell before 476 but 476 was the year it ceased to exist, and the Middle Ages started

1066 - the Norman conquest of England, which among other things led to significant changes to the English language

1776 - the year the USA became independent, of course the surrounding years from 1607 to 1815 had effect as well, especially 1763 to 1775

1914 - the start of the first World War

1945 - the end of the second World War; 1933 to 1944 contributed to this (rise of the Nazi Party, atrocities of the Holocaust and in East Asia, and more directly the attack on Poland by Germany and on Pearl Harbor by Japan)

I'm going with 1945 as it has the greatest effects on us in the present day. The USA's rise as a global superpower, the beginning of the Cold War (which ended within the last 30 years), the first use of nuclear weapons, the foundation of the UN, and the start of the most peaceful period in world history.
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