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Old 01-22-2019, 06:41 AM
Location: New York Area
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Originally Posted by john620 View Post
By all accounts Palestine and the lands surrounding it were relatively peaceful certainly more peaceful than today. Jews as a race are absolutely entitled to national self determination (just like blacks, Arabs, Indians and whites although the others deny it) but not in territory held by Palestinians for 2000 years. Siberia was suggested.
And Uganda as well. As well as an island in Lake Erie. These suggests had one thing in common; they had no historical connection to the Jewish people. Siberia and Uganda had indigenous people as well as being habitable only by nomadic hunter-gatherers.

The Jews were ousted from the land by the Romans. The Arab invaders prevented their return. Are the Arabs entitled to retain all of their conquests? Remember they ousted or forcibly converted Egyptian Coptic Christians, and otherwise took Africa from the Sahara on north by invasion. And Spain and Portugal and for a short time the southern part of France. The Jews' claim to that area was ancient and long-standing.

Originally Posted by john620 View Post
If the outcome of WWII would have been different there wouldn’t have been the Islamic revolution in Iran, Nassar in Egypt and there would have been no Afghan war backed by the U.S. government that created the training ground, base and tactics used in 2001 that led to the destabilization of Iraq in 2003 and now with no strong power to keep the area in check Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and all the turmoil in the last 9 years.
That sentence is a mouthful, But in other words, West wrong more or less by default?
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Even if the outcome of WWII was not different but Jews moved somewhere else or took only a portion of palestine not Gaza, the golan heights, Egyptian territory and etc. all this above would not have occurred.
That was what the Jews accepted with the 1947 U.N. lines and, with some variations, the 1949 Armistice Lines, the so-called "1967 borders." Only one problem; the Arabs didn't accept those boundaries. When Egypt ordered the U.N. peacekeepers out in May 1967 what choice did Israel have to invade?
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:26 AM
Location: Kansas City MO
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1492 of course, the discovery ( and the communication of that fact to the rest of the old world) of the Americas along with the reconquista, extremely rare to have such 2 such events that are still affecting us to this day happen in the same year.

1914. More and more, it appears that WWI caused a cascading affect that led to WWII, caused the downfall of the great European powers, the rise of the USA to most important country, and started the dominoes falling that ended colonization. The end of colonization was initially viewed as an unallayed positive, but now with all the failed states in formerly conlonized areas, that is now one of the main causes of the current migration crisis, (would Trump be president now, if this wasn't happening? would our government be shut down? ) one has to wonder where the world would be right now if WWI never started.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:43 AM
Location: The Best Philly, West Philly
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1995, which is coincidentally my birth year. That was the year that the Internet was privatized, giving way to an onslaught of new technology and methodologies that made it easier to connect with people across the globe. This changed nearly every facet of life in the 21st century.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:47 AM
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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-don't know about most important year, but most important event was the extension of the Roman influence over Gaul in the yrs 58-52BC (culminating in the Battle of Alesia 52BC). That established Roman (Greek) culture in western Europe and led to the official recognition/establishment of Christianity in The Empire in 312 AD.

Western culture is essentially the continuation of The Roman Empire( & Church) over the past 2000 yrs, and western culture has dominated the "known world" since then, setting the paradigm for all science & industrialization.

We'll see if 1776 still looks as important in 3776 as it does now.
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Old 01-22-2019, 03:52 PM
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1492 - New World

1776 - America is born

1215 - Magna Carta

1440 - Printing Press revolutionizes information dissemination

1347 - Black Death arrives in Europe, radically altering economics, politics, religion, and society

1517 - 95 Theses (and a Pope ain't one)

1683 - European Christendom survives her final stand against Middle Eastern imperialism

1863 - United States almost loses entire Civil War in Gettysburg when Confederate troops come within a few hundred feet of breaking Meade's fish hook

1914-1918 - WW1, Russian revolution

1939-1945 - WW2

1991 - Collapse of USSR

1962 - Mankind nearly ends itself, which would virtually nullify every single other thing on this list

2001 - In response to 9/11, America shifts its entire geopolitical posture

~73,000 BCE - Toba Catastrophe Bottleneck Theory, supposed supervolcanic eruption cuts Homo Sapien population down to a few thousand. Possible explanation for our high genetic similarity.

~66 Million BCE - Dinosaurs get dabbed on by space rock

1983 - Internet is born

1946 - First computer constructed (?)

1879 - Edison brings light to the world

~1950 - Green Revolution begins

1977 - Smallpox, one of mankind's most ancient foes, is eradicated by vaccination program (last case in '77, declared eradicated in '80). Mankind flips the proverbial bird to natural selection.

476 - Rome ends

1837 - Victorian Era begins

1881 - Scramble for Africa begins

1789 - French Revolution

1871 - Germany unified

1928 - Penicillin discovered

1980 - China joins World Bank and IMF, planting the seed for the authoritarian-capitalist juggernaut we see today

1969 - The most important year ever, in my opinion. It's the year mankind first gained a solid step on someplace other than Earth. The first time we, as a Earth-borne species, promised ourselves that we are destined for galactic, if not universal importance. I believe most other years on my list will be forgotten with time, but I am sure that if mankind endeavors onward, challenging ourselves to delve deeper into our innate curiosities, that the date July 20, 1969, will be a legendary date to a human species spread amongst the starlight in the night sky.

That BARELY scratches the surface though. My education is extremely western-centric. There must be tons of dates from Eastern and Mid-Eastern history that had such a critical effect on our world. Power was not always concentrated in Europe. There are so many discoveries in the past few centuries as well that absolutely revolutionized our world (evolution, quantum physics, etc.)

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Old 01-22-2019, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Curly Q. Bobalink View Post
A story is told of Yasser Arafat debating Golda Meir on this very subject. She asks to begin the debate with a historical story, which Arafat allows. She begins, "Moses, having led the Jews for almost forty years in this desert, was very dusty and in need of a bath. The group came upon an oasis, and Moses hung his robe on a bush and entered the water. When clean, he walked from the small lake to find his robe missing. Upon asking where it went, one of the Jews exclaimed, "Moses, it was a Palestinian who stole your clothing"....

Arafat, not liking where this story was going, jumped up and yelled, "That's a lie! Why, there were no Palestinians living here in the time of Moses!"

Golda raised a finger, and said, "Ah, Hahhhh...…."
Its a pity that the traditional religions from middle east boast of modern scientific inventions and patents to their name, ask evidences and proof about other cultures, but yet believe in mythology to stake claim for a piece of land. And even worse, they declare that only 5000 years of world history is available.

In my time , the most significant year is 1991 -that was when Coca Cola came to my ccountry and a symbolic representation of American capitalism/globalism. It helped millions of people till date.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:38 PM
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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For all of us, the most significant day in history is our birthday, that is when each of us got thrown into the mix and made our stories part of history. This will eventually be tied by our death dates. The very delicacy and improbability of the existence of a single specific person should tell you this. Consider that in order for you to have been born, all the events which placed your parents together to copulate at that very moment in time (down to the micro seconds since your sperm cell was competing with millions of others to reach the egg first) had to occur exactly as they did. Repeat this process for four grandparents, eight great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents and you come to realize that each of our existences has depended upon every single thing that has ever happened, happened exactly as it did. Any sort of disturbance in the chain and there would be no you, no me, no one writing this post, or at least not me. If 1500 years ago Thugga hadn't come out ahead of Ubra in their combat, that might have ended the chain which led to you. Thugga had to win, that was extraordinarily significant in your life, as were billions of other events which could have had different, chain ending outcomes.

If there had been no Big Bang? If the earth hadn't formed, or it had formed at a greater distance from the sun than was needed for life to generate...certainly awfully significant events.

Consequently, every year, every second in fact, has been significant in bringing you into the world. And if you hadn't been brought into the world, you wouldn't be here reading this or offering your opinion on which was the most significant year. For you no year would have any significance because you never were born to be aware of such things.

Trying to identify the single most significant year is a hopeless exercise. For those of you above who have suggested any of the past 1000 years, you are overlooking the fact that none of those years had any significance at all for the people who lived and died before 1000 BCE, just as 20th Century events had no impact whatsoever on all the years which preceded it. Atomic bombs mean nothing to George Washington.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:24 AM
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Originally Posted by Dd714 View Post
I wouldn't be so arrogant at to pick any date in the 20th century, not only is it too easy, but man has 5,000 years of recorded history
Yes, but only in the last century or two would the effects if an event be noticed in the lifetime of any more than a fraction of the planet's population.

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1962 (if the missiles had flown, the USSR would have been obliterated and selected parts of Europe as well, with the United States badly damaged). That last example might be a bit of a cheat, though, as the hinge is on what didn't happen rather than what did happen.
Maybe you could then take us one more year to 1963, when what did happen was Oswald put an end to that risk forever.

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Old 01-24-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by john620 View Post
With all this above and Europe literally restricting speech and thoughts being crimes, I rather Germany would have won and prevented a communist world or semi communist world in Western Europe (EU and laws against free speech and right to self defense aka. a means to self defense aka guns).
How sad that you find conquest and mass slaughter preferable to modest restrictions on free speech, or rather to prefer conquest, mass slaughter, and the complete and total denial of free speech with penalties ranging up to a show trial and immediate death (example: those of the White Rose). But I suspect there's a great deal about the totalitarian oppression of the Third Reich that you not only find tolerable but actually admire.

On a couple of side notes:
*your claim that some thoughts in the EU have been criminalized is, of course, not true, and
*you obviously have no idea what constitutes 'communism'
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Old 01-24-2019, 02:46 PM
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How about 1588 and the sinking of the Spanish Armada?
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