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Old 04-03-2019, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Saint Paul
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Joseph Epstein:
"Not that Caesar was without his flaws—*major flaws. The military historian Theodore Ayrault Dodge, in his otherwise admiring biography of *Caesar, catalogues some of these with impressive concision. So concentrated was Caesar on ends, means were of negligible interest to him. At war he was capable, as Dodge wrote, of “holocausts before which the devastations of Alexander shrink to naught.” He might lop off the hands of the men of an entire town that had shown him resistance, while selling its women and children into slavery. Dodge reckons that “the sum of his massacres in Gaul overruns a million souls, paying no heed to those who perished by a worse fate than the edge of the sword.” Caesar brooked no resistance even from men who otherwise supported him. He had no compunction in sending one of his own loyal soldiers, who complained that none of the booty of war should be shared with civilians, off to be executed, or about doing the same to a baker whose bread disappointed him.

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Old 04-03-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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He was a conqueror, but given the times he lived, do you think he was a bad person?
You may be interested in watching the Julius Caesar episode of the History Channel's, Ancients Behaving Badly.

YouTube has it, but I'm not pc savvy enough to link it to this reply.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Caesar had his good points, but he was always leaving the cap off the toothpaste tube after using it, he'd interrupt your joke just as you were getting to the punch line, if no one was looking he didn't use a pooper-scooper when his dog crapped on someone's sidewalk, he would put the milk carton back in the fridge when there were just a few drops left, and he'd park in the handicapped zone even though he didn't have a sticker.
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Old 04-04-2019, 11:19 PM
 
Location: South Australia
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By our modern standards, of course he was ruthless and amoral.

By the standards of his day, it might depend on whom you asked.

To his troops and the plebs, he was probably a pretty good guy; he gave them money and presents. Even Pompey Magnus would have probably have liked him as an ally ,and possibly as a father in law.

Were he and Marc Antony friends? From what I've read, I have no idea; he was every bit as ruthless and amoral as Caesar.

The Senate were terrified of him, and rightly so. They only saw the popularist thug who really,trooly rooly, wanted to be in charge of everything. He was for a short time.

Did the senate do the right thing in murdering him? Morally? Probably. Politically? Possibly a bit hasty, or not, depending on your point of view. Caesar's death eventually led to his adopted son Octavius becoming Caesar Augustus, first emperor of Rome. With him came the Pax Romanus, which lasted 200 years. The rest of the Julio-Claudian emperors were a mixed bag ,but none great, imo. Overall, perhaps a good argument against letting family inherit thrones.


Pretty hard to sum up Julius Caesar in a few words. An aside; Did you know that caesar had the fist recorded autopsy in history? That's how we know he received 23 stab wounds, only one of which was fatal.
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Old 04-05-2019, 12:47 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Julius Caesar was a conqueror and military leader with all the trappings and flaws that came with the job. He was as ruthless as the job required, ambitious, and considered a threat by the authorities in power back in Rome. Roman Emperors often fall into two groups...bad and horrible. Had he lived he would have probably fallen into one of those two groups and his reputation probably benefited by his assissination.

(Next up: Was Vlad the Impaler just misunderstood?)
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Old 04-05-2019, 04:54 PM
 
Location: South Australia
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Julius Caesar was a conqueror and military leader with all the trappings and flaws that came with the job. He was as ruthless as the job required, ambitious, and considered a threat by the authorities in power back in Rome. Roman Emperors often fall into two groups...bad and horrible. Had he lived he would have probably fallen into one of those two groups and his reputation probably benefited by his assissination.

(Next up: Was Vlad the Impaler just misunderstood?)
Short answer about Vlad: YES.
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Old 06-01-2019, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Did you know that Caesars sister were called Julia Minor and Julia Major..
That was a pretty typical Roman naming convention.
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Old 06-01-2019, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Caesar sold about a million people into slavery, and his legions killed several hundred thousand people.

I think you could legitimately call this bad.
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