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Old 03-11-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: London
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WW2
  • 60 to 65 million people died (estimated);
  • 27 million soviets died;
  • 17 million Chinese died;
  • The dead toll in all the wars combined in the past 300 years was less than WW2;
  • 27,000 people died per day for six years;
  • The only war in which more civilians were killed than military men. 80% of total - 48 to 53 million;
  • The only war where the losers killed 75% of the people;
  • Japan killed 7 times more people than they lost;
  • Japan lost 3 million people;
  • The USA lost 419,000 people military & civilian;
  • Britain lost 450,000 military & civilian;
  • 75% of German soldiers were killed by the Soviets - 5 five million;
  • By May 1941 Germany had only lost 100,000 soldiers;
  • By May 1941 all countries around Germany & seized German territory were not anti German;
  • Germany received more precious metal and resources from the USSR in one month than in an entire year by looting the USSR after June 1941;
  • Britain produced more tanks in WW2 than Germany;
  • Britain outproduced Germany in all categories of munitions in WW2 except for one year;
  • The USSR produced 75,000 tanks;
  • The USA produced 55,000 tanks;
  • 600,000 planes were produced in WW2 by all sides;
  • The USA produced 400,000 planes;
  • The Japanese & Germans never produced 4-engined bombers;
  • Britain and the USA produced 40,000 4-engined bombers;
  • 80% of all munitions were made by the allies;
  • The USSR only fought on one front;
  • Apart from U-Boat attacks, Germany only expanded on its own borders;

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Old 03-11-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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What was the most positive thing to come out of World War 2? I say computers.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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The numbers are even more stark when you consider how much smaller the world population was before the war than compared to today.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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As Chinese and Soviets archives are being opened up, the death tolls are rising.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:13 AM
 
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US tank production numbers appear to be pretty far off (low).

I guess Russia fought on one front at a time, but the Eastern Front was a giant meat grinder.

Russia was also in the 1939 Soviet Japanese Border War, she provided substantial military aid to China 1937-39, invaded Poland in 1939, started the Winter War, and again fought the Japanese in Manchuria in 1945.

I am not sure what the last bullet point is supposed to mean. Greece, Crete, the Channel Islands and North Africa were not an extension of Germany's borders.
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Old 03-11-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by John-UK View Post
WW2
  • 60 to 65 million people died (estimated);
  • 27 million soviets died;
  • 17 million Chinese died;
  • The dead toll in all the wars combined in the past 300 years was less than WW2;
  • 27,000 people died per day for six years;
  • The only war in which more civilians were killed than military men. 80% of total - 48 to 53 million;
  • The only war where the losers killed 75% of the people;
  • Japan killed 7 times more people than they lost;
  • Japan lost 3 million people;
  • The USA lost 419,000 people military & civilian;
  • Britain lost 450,000 military & civilian;
  • 75% of German soldiers were killed by the Soviets - 5 five million;
  • By May 1941 Germany had only lost 100,000 soldiers;
  • By May 1941 all countries around Germany & seized German territory were not anti German;
  • Germany received more precious metal and resources from the USSR in one month than in an entire year by looting the USSR after June 1941;
  • Britain produced more tanks in WW2 than Germany;
  • Britain outproduced Germany in all categories of munitions in WW2 except for one year;
  • The USSR produced 75,000 tanks;
  • The USA produced 55,000 tanks;
  • 600,000 planes were produced in WW2 by all sides;
  • The USA produced 400,000 planes;
  • The Japanese & Germans never produced 4-engined bombers;
  • Britain and the USA produced 40,000 4-engined bombers;
  • 80% of all munitions were made by the allies;
  • The USSR only fought on one front;
  • Apart from U-Boat attacks, Germany only expanded on its own borders;
Some clarifications:
  • The USSR only fought on one front - Well, technically correct maybe. They had their western front but also they had a northern front with Finland, also before war with Germany Russia had skirmishes with Japan before the Soviet-Japan nuetrality pact (primarily in the late 30s), and of course after near the end of the war with japan.
  • Britain lost 450,000 military & civilian - I beleive this includes it's crown colonies, which in turn makes this figure somewhat misleading as it's not from the home island.
  • The Japanese & Germans never produced 4-engined bombers - The Germans had a 4 engine bomber in prototype form - Messerschmitt Me 264. However, indeed, it never entered mass production.

Production numbers I also question. Per wiki German munitions production exceeded UK in all except a few years of the war.

Also not sure what this means: "Apart from U-Boat attacks, Germany only expanded on its own borders""

Not sure what this means either: "By May 1941 all countries around Germany & seized German territory were not anti German". Occupied Europe would tend to differ, particularly the jewish population.

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Old 03-11-2019, 01:09 PM
 
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Some clarifications:[list][*]The USSR only fought on one front - Well, technically correct maybe. They had their western front but also they had a northern front with Norway,.
Finland, not Norway.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Putting aside any disputes on the numbers WWII was a global catastrophe. And if there is a WWIII with all the new weapons technologies available to the world's armies we wont be sitting around coffee in hand on CD chit chatting about military history.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:24 PM
 
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Germany developed the V1 and V2 rocket weapons which ushered in a new approach to warfare. German rocket scientists were an important "war prize" for the allies.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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Originally Posted by John-UK View Post
WW2
  • 60 to 65 million people died (estimated);
  • Britain produced more tanks in WW2 than Germany;
  • The Japanese & Germans never produced 4-engined bombers;
Some additional clarifications.


- 60-65 million dead is considered conservative. The more new sources that are studied the larger the number of dead are. When I went so school we learnt that 50 million people died, now some figures suggest 75-80 million.


- Yes, but actually no. This requires that the Stug-series, Hetzers, Jagdpanzers and other tank destroyers and assault guns are not classified as tanks, though they were used and intended to be used as tanks. This was a considerable number too, 16,000, and the shift to turretless armored vehicles was a deliberate policy.


- The He 177 was in practical terms a 4-engine bomber, as it had 2-welded together engines x2 but with two propellers. If that isn't accepted, the 4-engine Fw 200 sank hundreds of thousands of tons of Allied shipping, and cannot be considered anything else than a bomber.
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