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Old 03-12-2019, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I just finished the Great Courses History of the South. One thing that surprised me is that the "Old South" was all in the East. Mississippi, Alabama and Missouri were admitted to the Union in 1817, 1819 and 1821, respectively. Texas had only been a state for 16 years when The Slaver Rebellion started.

 
Old 03-12-2019, 10:45 PM
 
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I just finished the Great Courses History of the South. One thing that surprised me is that the "Old South" was all in the East. Mississippi, Alabama and Missouri were admitted to the Union in 1817, 1819 and 1821..
Larry.. yeah, Old South I believe is typically defined as just the southern states of colonial America. At that time Alabama and beyond was still frontier.

I think it surprises some modern Americans that Maryland is Old South. Bcuz it was subsequently a Border State.. & now considered (by some), as a Northeastern state..

As a college sports fan, I always viewed vintage ACC as an Old South conference.. UVa, Maryland, UNC, Duke, etc..
 
Old 03-13-2019, 05:16 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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I just finished the Great Courses History of the South. One thing that surprised me is that the "Old South" was all in the East. Mississippi, Alabama and Missouri were admitted to the Union in 1817, 1819 and 1821, respectively. Texas had only been a state for 16 years when The Slaver Rebellion started.
Florida also became a US territory in 1821.

From his headquarters in Tennessee (1796), Andrew Jackson, by force of arms, basically set up the southeast United States after the colonial/War of 1812 period (Louisiana), kicking out the British, Spanish and whatever may have been left of the French. Hence Jacksonville and various other places in the region that bear his name.
 
Old 03-13-2019, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Mark Twain explained that early in his life, Missouri was considered "The Southwest", even Hannibal in the northeast corner of the state.
 
Old 03-14-2019, 06:59 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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It all changes as history proceeds.
Annie Oakley was born on the frontier - Ohio!


The second wealthiest city in America in 1860 was Natchez MS, after New York.
 
Old 03-14-2019, 09:01 PM
 
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It all changes as history proceeds.
Annie Oakley was born on the frontier - Ohio!


The second wealthiest city in America in 1860 was Natchez MS, after New York.
In fact, Ohio was known as Northwest Territory until statehood in 1803, just 18 years before Missouri. But when Annie Oakley was born, Cincinnati was the US seventh largest city (1860)

The wealthiest city in the US was, for a while, Pawhuska, Oklahoma.
 
Old 03-15-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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I live in southern Minnesota - west of what used to be the Northwest Territory. No one thinks of Minnesota as the northwest anymore, to say nothing of us being further west of northwest.

Of course, times change and regional names become other than what they literally suggest. After all, no one thinks of the southernmost state - Hawaii - as being in the South. It's south, not South.
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