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Old 03-29-2019, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I don't think any old movies, made before 1980, are historically accurate.
"Tora! Tora! Tora!" was made in 1970 and it presented the historical record as it was known, a near documentary.

The following year there was "Nicholas and Alexandra" which while having to invent specific dialogue, also stuck very closely to the actual events as they unfolded.

Before those there was the 1968 version of "The Charge of the Light Brigade" which moved some events around in time due to the needs of story telling, but otherwise was another film which followed the records. That is in stark contrast to the 1936 Errol Flynn version which was fiction from beginning to end.

Also beating your 1980 deadline was 1977's "A Bridge Too Far" which while inventing some characters and scenes, generally presented the actual story.
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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I remember I saw a western where the main character early on raped a woman.

Its best to sometimes see the main character/s as protagonist/s rather than hero/es.

That was a time & place that could be very brutal & unforgiving & the media relating to that context sometimes is reflective of that.

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Old 04-02-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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Quick draw duels may have been fictional, but armed duels were not. See Aaron Burr vs Alexander Hamilton. Did they continue this tradition into the Wild West? It was both in the 1800s. When did the dueling stop?
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Old 04-02-2019, 09:54 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Quick draw duels may have been fictional, but armed duels were not. See Aaron Burr vs Alexander Hamilton. Did they continue this tradition into the Wild West? It was both in the 1800s. When did the dueling stop?
Dueling was already illegal when Burr shot Hamilton.
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Old 04-02-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I like to think the "real" West was more like what was portrayed in "Unforgiven". If you wanted to kill someone, you killed them in the most expedient way possible.

"You just shot an unarmed man".
"Well, he should have armed himself."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AVpaOuE1Pg

And like Pat Garrett waiting for Billy the Kid in his bedroom and shooting him to death when he entered.

You just get it done however.
I would add like in El Diablo:

You shot him in the back!

Well, his back was to me.
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Mars City
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Though I prefer accuracy in events and details, I like when a movie can convey moods and personalities. That might bring more value than the specifics of this or that happening.

Take "Tombstone" for example. There are probably many detours from what actually happened, but the personalities and attitudes that come across in the movie are palpable. You get a sense of those times and that location, and the issues and moods present, as compared to today. You can feel the danger and unpredictability of those times, and feel your heartbeat and adrenaline rush.

So there can be accuracy in moods and personalities that come across in films, even in the midst of inaccuracy of specific events.

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Old 04-02-2019, 11:33 AM
 
Location: StlNoco Mo
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I would add like in El Diablo:

You shot him in the back!

Well, his back was to me.


How about the shootout between Judge Roy Bean and Bad Bob the albino ?
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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How about the shootout between Judge Roy Bean and Bad Bob the albino ?
If you overlook the fact that the film had no plot whatsoever, it was an enjoyable flick. Loved Bad Bob, he liked his steak "blue."

My favorite was Snake River Rufus Kryles who was "blood kin to a Gila monster" could "drink my weight in wolf poison" and could "make violent love to mountain lions."
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:48 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Wanted: Let them draw first.

Wanted Dead or Alive: Shoot them the second you have the chance, unless you can rope the varmint first.
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Old 04-02-2019, 03:03 PM
 
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I remember I saw a western where the main character early on raped a woman.

Its best to sometimes see the main character/s as protagonist/s rather than hero/es.

That was a time & place that could be very brutal & unforgiving & the media relating to that context sometimes is reflective of that.
Which movie was this?
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