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Old 04-08-2019, 04:15 PM
 
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Italy didn't do that bad in WWI. They were just fighting in one of the harshest environments possible in WWI, and as the rest of the Entente powers had their hands full with the Western front, Italy didn't get much assistance. At least half a million Italian soldiers died on the fields of battle.


Because the Italians didn't break through the front and march into Vienna doesn't make them bad in WWI. By that definition every single country did really poorly during the conflict.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:20 PM
 
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This begs the question of why they were so unprepared though. Fascists in Italy came to power a decade longer than the Nazis in Germany. What were they doing during that period?
The Italians were modernizing their forces during the 1920s and early 1930s. The problem was that their military was largely obsolete by the time WW II started. Though some of their military branches, the navy in particular, had some battle worthy ships. Italy also suffered from the fact that unlike Germany or Britain, Italy had little natural resources they could utilize for industrialization.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, Ca
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The Italians are lovers.... not fighters.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:25 PM
 
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Because Christians especially Catholics are soft warriors. Christianity softened and doomed the Roman Empire. Catholics relied on keeping their population uneducated and poor to flex their will upon them. In the face of strength the Christian ideology crumbles like a communion wafer.

Man. This is just, well, .
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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This begs the question of why they were so unprepared though. Fascists in Italy came to power a decade longer than the Nazis in Germany. What were they doing during that period?
He got the trains running on time...

Or so that saying goes, even if he didn't. A few things here, fascism is a failed system. It existed primarily via state owned capitalism. The fact that these two phrases appear to conflict with each other didn't matter, or maybe is the cause of the doomed system. Yeah, they embraced a state owned economy only second to the USSR. It survived on debt, unsustainable. Germany was the same way. Without war, it was doomed to collapse.
But the main difference is simply that Mussolini didn't see a need to focus on military investment - he thought his military was already superior. See my post on paper tiger. Yeah, on paper his military looked great, in reality his tanks and artillery were outdated and outmatched. He invaded Ethiopia in 1935, yeah he marched right in and did great against an undeveloped nation. But he wasn't facing a modern European Army. He simply saw no need. Germany, even though having the same political system, was very different. Germany was feed by nationalism, racial hatred and paranoia, the reminder of WW1, and a historic Prussian military discipline structure second to none. They started rebuilding their military from day 1.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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This begs the question of why they were so unprepared though. Fascists in Italy came to power a decade longer than the Nazis in Germany. What were they doing during that period?
The Italian government is just a smidge above the Greek.
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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The Italians are lovers.... not fighters.

Same can be said of that other Latin group, the French. Could explain why Prussia and later Germany kept invading and occupying that country most recently during WWII.

If the USA hadn't stepped in (again) things might look very different today for France. Even still that nation again is convulsing and heaving under another invasion; this time from migrants.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Now this is just a joke, that should not be taken seriously by Italians, who I generally like and with whose language I even have a bit of facility. But when I was in the U. S. Army, we told the story about a dealer who advertised used Italian Army rifles: never fired and dropped only once.
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I thought those were French rifles.
The joke could be adapted to any nationality at which you wanted to poke some humor. In English, a soldier going AWOL is sometimes described as taking "French leave". In French, they call it, "congé anglais" ("English leave").
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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This begs the question of why they were so unprepared though. Fascists in Italy came to power a decade longer than the Nazis in Germany. What were they doing during that period?
They weren't preparing for nor expected another world war, unlike Germany. Mussolini wanted a few colonies in Africa which he was already acquiring. That would have been the end of it, if not for Hitler's grand plan and Mussolini turning into Hitlers puppet.
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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They did a pretty good job in Ethiopia defeating Haile Sellasie’s donkey riding spear throwers. Things went downhill real fast though when they came up against a modern army.
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