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Old 05-26-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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Italy got involved in WW1 for the same reason as Japan and a few other countries. They wanted to be on the winning side for when the spoils of victory were divvied up. The soldiers themselves had little or no interest in the whole business.
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Old 05-26-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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Seems kind of crazy how in WWI Italy was part of the allies and in WWII they were part of the Axis yet regardless, they were awful and couldn't accomplish anything really noteworthy in terms of militarily speaking. Especially considering they were the ones that had the infamous Roman Republic/Empire. So what was it that made them such trash at warfare in the 20th century?
If you let your managerial/organizational skills lapse for over 1000 years, it's probably hard to get in gear again.
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Old 05-27-2019, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Because Christians especially Catholics are soft warriors. Christianity softened and doomed the Roman Empire. Catholics relied on keeping their population uneducated and poor to flex their will upon them. In the face of strength the Christian ideology crumbles like a communion wafer.
Been to Belfast then? or gangsters in Chicago. behave..
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Old 05-29-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Because Christians especially Catholics are soft warriors. Christianity softened and doomed the Roman Empire. Catholics relied on keeping their population uneducated and poor to flex their will upon them. In the face of strength the Christian ideology crumbles like a communion wafer.
That makes no sense in the context of this discussion. The European theater of WW2 was predominantly a battle between christian nations (even Russia, who's population was Orthodox Christian).

You are also wrong regarding history. Historically, the battle's between East and West (i.e. between Christian forces and, for instance, Muslims during the crusades or Mongol hordes) was noted for different general strategies in combat. Christian nations prefered to get close, steel to steel and hand to hand combat. Eastern non-christian forces were skirmishers, specializing in ranged weapons often by light fast horses. Eastern forces often had the superior strategy, however I wouldn't suggest a warrior fighting to get up close to a man to prefer to kill him with cold steel as exactly soft.
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Old 05-29-2019, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Armies sent off to war with inferior equipment and arms usually lose. Italy's was some of the worst.
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Old 05-29-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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Armies sent off to war with inferior equipment and arms usually lose. Italy's was some of the worst.
That's probably the biggest issue and a main contributor that has been pointed out in this thread.

Don't criticize the carcano rifle however. That and the japanese Arisaka get a bad rap. It's not that bad, accurate as hell even in carbine form up to 200 yards, has a loose bolt action that you can operate quickly, no particular quirks for a new shooter to the rifle, and is still used in various war zones (Libya and Syria)...and of course it was used to kill a president.
I shot my carcano in carbine form over the weekend, and I am a terrible shot with iron sights, but was pretty much hitting the mark at (admittedly short) 50 yards. It's actually much easier to shoot because it's lighter and shorter, something that the armed forces of WW2 were still adapting to (shorter combat ranges, making the longer 400 yard out rifles somewhat obsolete).
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Old 05-30-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Unfortunately Lee Harvey Oswald if he was still alive would attest to the effectiveness of the Carcano.
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Old 05-31-2019, 12:25 PM
 
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Unfortunately Lee Harvey Oswald if he was still alive would attest to the effectiveness of the Carcano.
As were those fighting Kaddafi in 2011 in Libya. Every farmer and store-keeper starting bringing out their grandpa's 80 year old Carcano from the cellar it seems (Libya being a former Italian colony) to fight Kaddafi's well armed troops - and kicked their ass...literally - I think it was a Carcano bayonet that ended up in Kaddafi's rear. What a way to go.

Looks like an M38 cavalry version below, 1938 model, or its sporterized.


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