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Old 06-02-2019, 09:10 PM
 
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So did medievel Christian warlords/conquerors not have harems?

I saw a vid on youtube that discussed women and children captive by both Saracen, and Christian forces. It quotes people from the time, and what they wrote down in their histories. It states that Christian forces did not take any sex slaves, and instead massacred the women and children that were not christian. The Moslems/Saracens did indeed take sex slaves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqVqjeuDtfU
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Mohammed used the spoils of war as a magnet to motivate his followers. Women were a big part of it. The fact that Islam allowed multiple wives didn't hurt either.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Well let me see. Men with absolute power over a conquered population including women. Thinking the primal sex drive outweighs religion.
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Old 06-03-2019, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Not just women and children. Richard Lionheart appalled the Saracens when he slaughtered two thousand captives--men, women, and children--at Ayyadieh because they couldn't feed and manage them. The Saracens would have sold them into slavery rather than murder them.
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Old 06-03-2019, 01:18 PM
 
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Rape and warfare go together, doesn't matter what combatants are involved. Both European and Muslim armies practiced it.
However if we are talking about the crusades, the first crusades seem to be arguably an exception to the rule. The general thought is that it was considered a holy war and thus immoral to Christian armies - not to kill them but to rape them, as crazy as that seems. You have to remember these were guys that traveled 2,000 miles and into battle with massive religious icons. Many clerics were with them and may have also had restrictions on that and drinking and swearing (all the fun stuff).

In terms of sex slaves and harems, well the lowly soldier couldn't afford one long term, muslim or christian. They may end up in Muslim royalty but not in the home of your average "GI Moe". In Catholic Europe in the middle ages at least officially polygamy was not endorsed and thus was not common. One could get excommunicated by the pope, which was a big deal. Now Kings could still have concubines and ladys-in-waiting to service there needs and often did, but it was not as public. Ironically, Pope's likewise also had concubines.
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Old 06-03-2019, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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While they did not technically have harems, infidelity among the male European monarchy was hardly uncommon. I'd imagine a lot of it was driven by the practice of arranged marriages. Royal mistress could actually be a career of sorts.
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Old 06-03-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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maybe the harems were so commonplace and unremarkable as to not achieve enough attention from the scribes.
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Old 06-03-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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Mistress is one thing, harem is another. A harem kept by a European king would be a public declaration of impiety, simply not acceptable during those times even for a king and, as stated, you didn't want to get on the pope's bad side during those times. The political ramification would be game changing.
Mistress or two? Pope would be cool with that.
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:10 PM
 
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The Crusades were fought by mercenaries. It was required they be baptised. They kept their swords in their hands and held them aloft, symbolizing their intent to kill or at least unwillingness to submit everything to God.

Many Old Testament leaders had multiple wives.

There were a lot of examples of entire groups of people being killed, even livestock. Some by God's direction, some directly by God.
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:11 PM
 
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I believe the children of their mistresses did sometimes inherit some property & title.

They could not publicly take their mistress as a second wife, though custom may have stipulated she gets her cut & due.
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