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Old 06-23-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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Not so. The Germans were stopped in Dec 1941 when the Soviets hit them with a battering ram at Moscow. The Germans took more territory in 1942 in the south only, which was a deliberate policy of the Soviets, as they made no progress in the north. The Soviet follow up policy after Moscow was poor, otherwise there was no reason why the Soviets should not have run the German army back to Germany.
“General Winter" played as much of a role as anything in the German defeat in the North. In the South, conditions were much more favorable to Germans. The Southern areas, such as Georgia and Azerbaijan, were not the heart of the USSR.
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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“General Winter" played as much of a role as anything in the German defeat in the North.
Myth. Both had to fight in the winter. Harsh winters are not unknown in Germany.
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:06 PM
 
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After Moscow Stalin had a policy of a broad-front which failed.
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Old 06-24-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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“General Winter" played as much of a role as anything in the German defeat in the North. In the South, conditions were much more favorable to Germans. The Southern areas, such as Georgia and Azerbaijan, were not the heart of the USSR.
Myth. Both had to fight in the winter. Harsh winters are not unknown in Germany.
Germany does not get down to -40°, either F or C. Even 0°F, -18°C are unusual.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:08 AM
 
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Eastern Germany is very cold in winter, with below freezing for weeks on end. Cold winter are not new to Germans. The Germans foolishly thought they could knock out the USSR in a few months being partially unprepared for the 1941/42 winter - they soon got winter equipment over to the troops. They were fully prepared for the rest of them.
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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Eastern Germany is very cold in winter, with below freezing for weeks on end. Cold winter are not new to Germans. The Germans foolishly thought they could knock out the USSR in a few months being partially unprepared for the 1941/42 winter - they soon got winter equipment over to the troops. They were fully prepared for the rest of them.
Subfreezing for weeks on end ≠ -40° (F) or (C) conditions that are common in Moscow. A high temperature in the 20s F for two or three weeks on end does not gel up cars or ruin their batteries.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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The point is that the Germans are familiar with sustained cold.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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The point is that the Germans are familiar with sustained cold.
But not extreme cold.
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